Man of Honour
This - when the most experienced pilot came back into the cockpit he seems to have realised almost immediately what the two co-pilots were doing wrong and called out the correct action to take. But he was too late.
'Contact lost' with Malaysia Airlines plane
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This - when the most experienced pilot came back into the cockpit he seems to have realised almost immediately what the two co-pilots were doing wrong and called out the correct action to take. But he was too late.
Soldato
Yep. The stall warning on that sounded over 70 times, yet at no point did they take the elevators out of pitch-up
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Soldato
no chance of any survivors basically impact sends the whole 60 rows of seats to the front of the plane and everyone is squashed to pulp.
Pretty instant death (if you are lucky)
Poor relatives waiting at the airports they are the only ones suffering.
Pretty instant death (if you are lucky)
Poor relatives waiting at the airports they are the only ones suffering.
Soldato
If by 'almost immediately' you mean over two minutes, you'd be right. When the pilot came back he also had no idea what was happening, chiefly because his co-pilot failed to impart that he had the stick back the whole time. The captain didn't notice this from his position and he didn't think to ask. When his co-pilot finally tells him this vital piece of information, the captain orders him to descend and takes control of the plane, putting the nose down to regain control, by which time it's too late. The weird thing is that no-one mentions the word 'stall' throughout the entire exchange.
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Does everyone have Internet access on planes now?
I wonder if any messages were sent.
I wonder if any messages were sent.
This doesn't mean a whole lot. Italian passports are the forgers choice for getting into the EU to work. Likelihood is this passport was stolen or sold and used for a new identity rather than anything more sinister.
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I have a parcel missing that was coming from Hong Kong with a Malaysian courier. This explains a lot...
e: oh and it's sad about the people
e: oh and it's sad about the people
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So:with 447 they were dropping because they lost forward speed and by trying to climb they actually inadvertently maintained the low speed while still falling and did not realise until it was too late?
If when they still had altitude they had lowered the nose the plane would have gained forward flight speed and would have been able to level out and then climb back to a suitable altitude once the speed was gained to do so?
If when they still had altitude they had lowered the nose the plane would have gained forward flight speed and would have been able to level out and then climb back to a suitable altitude once the speed was gained to do so?
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Terrible thing when a plane crashes, such a safe mode of transport but even so an enormous loss in one incident gives the impression of greater danger.
Exactly. The insane thing is that after being told not to climb, and after the captain puts the nose down - probably due to being spooked by the new hazard warning of the fast-approaching sea - the co-pilot, panicking, takes the stick and pulls it back again.
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Yes, a textbook stall recovery. By doing the opposite, the co-pilot was merely making a bad situation worse and closing the window of opportunity for recovering control of the aircraft with each passing second.
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So sad...really makes you think. You take a flight not even thinking you might not make it to the other side..and it just happens, nothing you can do.
I normally take a few flights most years (5-10) and you always think...yea it won't happen to me. I bet those on board thought that too
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I normally take a few flights most years (5-10) and you always think...yea it won't happen to me. I bet those on board thought that too
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Soldato
So sad...really makes you think. You take a flight not even thinking you might not make it to the other side..and it just happens, nothing you can do.
I normally take a few flights most years (5-10) and you always think...yea it won't happen to me. I bet those on board thought that too
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
About to book our tickets to the UK, wife is of course now a little nervous.
Strange how something like the size of an airplane just disappears, even with all the technology.
Weather was absolutely fine apparently, even the winds at the altitude were checked and all reports stating completely calm.
Nothing can be ruled out just yet.
Man of Honour
[FnG]magnolia;25970755 said:
Only because he stole the line from you.
I'm sure you have two personality's and you haven't got a clue how you normally respond.
Soldato
Bingo!
And in the Airbus the flight controls are not linked between the two pilot seats. So one pilot might not have known that the other was holding the stick back the entire time, and when the pilot finally went nose down (unless he said outloud what he was doing) the co-pilot might not have known!
In the Boeings the two sides of the cockpit are linked, so even if the pilots aren't talking to each other they can see what they're doing.
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I got that from the transcript as a total layman so the question is: when forward speed is unreadable but you have a stall warning and also can see a descent in altitude despite nose up to climb this would indicate a vertical drop from the stall, why did they being experienced air crew not see this?
The stall warning could have been a false positive due to the unreadable air-speed but combined with a drop in altitude should have prompted immediate action to recover from the stall?
Because the co-pilot panicked. He actually had all the necessary data to fly the plane properly. However, in panicking he thinks he is in TOGA and can climb away to safety. The pilots are used to doing most of their hand-flying at low altitude and, being disorientated, the co-pilot reverted to flying the plane like it was nearer the ground, when at 37,000 feet the air is much thinner and the wings give less lift.
so basically it's like nearly every single aviation crash at sea.