Dell 24 incher (NO RULE BREAKING)
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Well I've just ordered one. Due the 15th. Can't wait. If nobody else has posted a review on here by then, then I will. I'll do some extensive comparisons versus the 2005fpw and let you all know.
>Ironfire, just like you I'm going to try this out to see how games perform before making my decision. If I like what I see, the 2005 will go up on sale (it's less than a week old anyway
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>Ironfire, just like you I'm going to try this out to see how games perform before making my decision. If I like what I see, the 2005 will go up on sale (it's less than a week old anyway
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You might find running 1600x1200 and using the stretch feature isnt that bad on some games.
Didnt look too bad on the Medion 30" anyways, perhaps depends more on the game. Im really chuffed that most people are happy with the console playback wish I had one to give it a real good workout. Doubt Ill just have to be content gaming @ 1280x720 on the projector for a while yet.
Didnt look too bad on the Medion 30" anyways, perhaps depends more on the game. Im really chuffed that most people are happy with the console playback wish I had one to give it a real good workout. Doubt Ill just have to be content gaming @ 1280x720 on the projector for a while yet.
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Running at 1600x1200 you can have a perfect 4:3 full screen 1-to-1 picture without any stretching that will fill the screen vertically and leave a black bar either side 
Should still be big enough (at least the size of the 2001fp)
Should still be big enough (at least the size of the 2001fp)
1600x1200 doesn't look too bad in KOTOR2.
I have tweaked my gamma/brightness/contrast settings in Windows via the ATI Control Panel (something I can't do on the monitor as it is using the DVI-D cable) but it doesn't seem to reload the settings on boot.
I have tweaked my gamma/brightness/contrast settings in Windows via the ATI Control Panel (something I can't do on the monitor as it is using the DVI-D cable) but it doesn't seem to reload the settings on boot.
Honestly if people would just get over the whole DVI thing.
You might find the VGA is actually better and you get all the controls.
Some monitors have very little difference between them and with this being a PVA its a chance this one will too. Can anyone confirm?
You might find the VGA is actually better and you get all the controls.
Some monitors have very little difference between them and with this being a PVA its a chance this one will too. Can anyone confirm?
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Durzel, can you not adjust those settings on the screen just as equally by using the RGB controls?
Sortof, but it doesn't do exactly what I want.
Basically, the default gamma/brightness/contrast on my ATi drivers leaves the screen a bit washed out. After following the Adobe Gamma set up wizard I've bumped my brightness down to -60 (from 0) and contrast up to 125 (from 100). It has improved the vibrance of the colours doing this but I guess whether its "right" or not is down to personal preference.
Either way - even though it's saving the settings it seems to be lost on boot, or whenever I load ATiTool... it only puts it back when I explictly go into Display -> Advanced -> Color
EDIT: I've got my RGB settings on the monitor set to 45/45/45 (from the default sRGB of 34/41/34)
Basically, the default gamma/brightness/contrast on my ATi drivers leaves the screen a bit washed out. After following the Adobe Gamma set up wizard I've bumped my brightness down to -60 (from 0) and contrast up to 125 (from 100). It has improved the vibrance of the colours doing this but I guess whether its "right" or not is down to personal preference.
Either way - even though it's saving the settings it seems to be lost on boot, or whenever I load ATiTool... it only puts it back when I explictly go into Display -> Advanced -> Color
EDIT: I've got my RGB settings on the monitor set to 45/45/45 (from the default sRGB of 34/41/34)
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hmmm
Maybe you should try using the ATI CCC instead - might help? I'm getting real concerned about the washed out nature of this panel: you're not the first to mention it!
Maybe you should try using the ATI CCC instead - might help? I'm getting real concerned about the washed out nature of this panel: you're not the first to mention it!
Im wondering if Magictune would work on this panel with it being a PVA?
Load / Save a preset on that?
Or possibly setting and saving on a Ultramon display profile?
If it seems to be just a problem with the current drivers and ATI no doubt a fix will be available on the next CATs
Load / Save a preset on that?
Or possibly setting and saving on a Ultramon display profile?
If it seems to be just a problem with the current drivers and ATI no doubt a fix will be available on the next CATs
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Check out this excellent, insightful email I got off a guy from the Anandtech forum's (darkswordsman17). He's recently just upgraded from a 2005FPW/2001FP setup to the 2405FPW. I asked him originally to give me his findings, with respect to the possible washed out colour issue. Here was his reply:
"Ok, I think I might've found something with the ATi drivers that, for
me
is a nice fix for it. I went into the control panel (I'm not currently
using the CCC though) and went into the Color tab. Under there, I
lowered the gamma to 0.66 (default is I think 3.5). Now colors are very
vibrant and deep. It looks quite a bit better. In fact, it looks much
better than the 2005 ever did (I kinda felt that it had a little bit of
a problem with looking kinda washed out as well, but I left everything
at default on it, so I'm pretty sure this would work there as well. You
might give it a try. I just got done doing that, so I haven't tested
how WoW now looks. I was able to get it to look pretty good colorwise
as well by adjusting the gamma in the game's menu (but could still
notice some of the kinda washed out look). Oh, and the brightness is
still at 75. I had actually lowered gamma all the way but my wallpaper
which is this black windows logo with blue electric effects around it,
it looked a little too dark, so I tried changing brightness, but that
didn't really help, so i set it back to 75 and then changed the gamma
to 0.66 and it looks very nice and colorful now, and doesn't seem too
dark or anything.
I've been meaning to get pics up, and I'll try to get some up that show
the comparison of defualt to what I now have the monitor at.
I'll try to get more games like Doom3 and HL2 and a few others up as
well and see how it does on them.
And yeah, with Far Cry's default settings it did look kinda washed out,
but after adjusting some things (gamma, contrast, brightness) it looks
awesome now. I think that is probably what is going to be the deal with
this monitor. It has the capability, it just needs some adjustment to
get there.
Oh, and I set everything to high or ultra high in Far Cry with
1920x1200
(including AA, and AF is set at the highest of 4) and it runs smooth. I
think I would probably get by with medium AA and it'd make it smooth
all the time (it never slowed down while I was playing max everything
including when I was fighting several enemies, but sometimes you could
almost feel it wanted to, which sounds strange but thats the best I
could describe it as). Of course I have an X850XT PE so, the only way I
could really get smoother is with dual 6800GTs or Ultras. Hopefully
this week I'll get my replacement GT and be able to put it in (I really
want DVC with this monitor, and I'm almost certainly going to go SLI).
I can't wait to see what HDR looks like on this (I'm pretty sure its
gonna be nonplayable though, but we'll see).
I really like this monitor though, better than even a 2001 and 2005 in
a
dual monitor setup.
If there's any more questions you have I'll see if I can't answer them
for you.
I can pretty much guarantee you will not be disappointed with this one.
It shows that Dell has been learning with each monitor they produce. Oh
and whatever video processing chip they have in this baby, it seems to
be very good, as scaling the 640x480 resolutions of consoles to the
full 1920x1200 looks very good. Oh yeah, I tried the Xbox on it, and it
looked good. There's one minor problem (thats really not that bad) is
that it kinda exacerbates the lower resolution textures. But colors and
things like that look very good and Halo 2 looked pretty amazing. I
tried Halo 2, Project Gotham Racing 2, and Crimson Skies and they all
looked very nice. The menus in PGR2 look like crap though (for some
reason they're kinda blurry and not that great) but the actual racing
looks fine. I don't know what it is, but the Gamecube still gained the
biggest improvement, not quite sure why, but when I put Wind Waker on,
my jaw just dropped. The colors were so great and it looked just
amazing. Metroid Prime 2 did as well, especially all those little
subtle things that make that games visuals so great (like the glow
effects of various things, the water as it flows off of the visor and
all those other neat little things). Some earlier games like Smash
Bros. Melee didn't look quite as nice because of the low res textures,
but again the colors just popped off the screen."
"Ok, I think I might've found something with the ATi drivers that, for
me
is a nice fix for it. I went into the control panel (I'm not currently
using the CCC though) and went into the Color tab. Under there, I
lowered the gamma to 0.66 (default is I think 3.5). Now colors are very
vibrant and deep. It looks quite a bit better. In fact, it looks much
better than the 2005 ever did (I kinda felt that it had a little bit of
a problem with looking kinda washed out as well, but I left everything
at default on it, so I'm pretty sure this would work there as well. You
might give it a try. I just got done doing that, so I haven't tested
how WoW now looks. I was able to get it to look pretty good colorwise
as well by adjusting the gamma in the game's menu (but could still
notice some of the kinda washed out look). Oh, and the brightness is
still at 75. I had actually lowered gamma all the way but my wallpaper
which is this black windows logo with blue electric effects around it,
it looked a little too dark, so I tried changing brightness, but that
didn't really help, so i set it back to 75 and then changed the gamma
to 0.66 and it looks very nice and colorful now, and doesn't seem too
dark or anything.
I've been meaning to get pics up, and I'll try to get some up that show
the comparison of defualt to what I now have the monitor at.
I'll try to get more games like Doom3 and HL2 and a few others up as
well and see how it does on them.
And yeah, with Far Cry's default settings it did look kinda washed out,
but after adjusting some things (gamma, contrast, brightness) it looks
awesome now. I think that is probably what is going to be the deal with
this monitor. It has the capability, it just needs some adjustment to
get there.
Oh, and I set everything to high or ultra high in Far Cry with
1920x1200
(including AA, and AF is set at the highest of 4) and it runs smooth. I
think I would probably get by with medium AA and it'd make it smooth
all the time (it never slowed down while I was playing max everything
including when I was fighting several enemies, but sometimes you could
almost feel it wanted to, which sounds strange but thats the best I
could describe it as). Of course I have an X850XT PE so, the only way I
could really get smoother is with dual 6800GTs or Ultras. Hopefully
this week I'll get my replacement GT and be able to put it in (I really
want DVC with this monitor, and I'm almost certainly going to go SLI).
I can't wait to see what HDR looks like on this (I'm pretty sure its
gonna be nonplayable though, but we'll see).
I really like this monitor though, better than even a 2001 and 2005 in
a
dual monitor setup.
If there's any more questions you have I'll see if I can't answer them
for you.
I can pretty much guarantee you will not be disappointed with this one.
It shows that Dell has been learning with each monitor they produce. Oh
and whatever video processing chip they have in this baby, it seems to
be very good, as scaling the 640x480 resolutions of consoles to the
full 1920x1200 looks very good. Oh yeah, I tried the Xbox on it, and it
looked good. There's one minor problem (thats really not that bad) is
that it kinda exacerbates the lower resolution textures. But colors and
things like that look very good and Halo 2 looked pretty amazing. I
tried Halo 2, Project Gotham Racing 2, and Crimson Skies and they all
looked very nice. The menus in PGR2 look like crap though (for some
reason they're kinda blurry and not that great) but the actual racing
looks fine. I don't know what it is, but the Gamecube still gained the
biggest improvement, not quite sure why, but when I put Wind Waker on,
my jaw just dropped. The colors were so great and it looked just
amazing. Metroid Prime 2 did as well, especially all those little
subtle things that make that games visuals so great (like the glow
effects of various things, the water as it flows off of the visor and
all those other neat little things). Some earlier games like Smash
Bros. Melee didn't look quite as nice because of the low res textures,
but again the colors just popped off the screen."
So to summarize...
Pros..
No ghosting
No Screendoor
Vibrant colours with adjustment
£400 cheaper than it's nearest rivals which use older & slower tech panels
24" 's
Multiple inputs
No power brick
Cons..
It's a Dell
Not the greatest bezel in the world
It's a no brainer
Pros..
No ghosting
No Screendoor
Vibrant colours with adjustment
£400 cheaper than it's nearest rivals which use older & slower tech panels
24" 's
Multiple inputs
No power brick
Cons..
It's a Dell
Not the greatest bezel in the world
It's a no brainer
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Now we just need some confirmation from the guys on this forum that have got one...
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Ah wait, toekiller, are you one of the lucky few?
Any chance we could have a mini review?
Any chance we could have a mini review?
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I thought you'd only had your 2005 for a little while??
Got the itch already
I may very well get one soon..(2405fpw)
Got the itch already
I may very well get one soon..(2405fpw)
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You know you want one Mr Latte....
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Orifice, when do you think the price fluctuations will start and when do you think they will settle down? I really need a new monitor, as the 19" CRT I have has developed black bars at the sides and they are slowly growing!!! I'm now on a 17" CRT effectively. Was looking at the Apply monitors but this little beauty looks just the think, if only the price would settle.
daddyorchips said:Ah wait, toekiller, are you one of the lucky few?
Any chance we could have a mini review?
Indeed.
When the bloody thing arrives!
It's currently struggling through the snow to get to me. Last reported sighting was Coventry. It has to get to Jersey. Probably another 2 days at least.
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