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DirectX 12

humbug said:
No i don't know that at all, last i looked Intel had the lions share with Nvidia actually third behind AMD.
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because PC gamers game on a device that requires running low settings and 720p resolution to get 30fps averages

meanwhile, in the real world, Nvidia has 65% market share in discrete GPU's at a time when coin miners are buying up all the AMD cards...
 
All I want is to not have to upgrade my OS (Win 7 ultimate) to get these features (Unless win 9 is amazing)
 
If DX12 is a huge step-up (which I predict, and hope, that it will be), then I will have no problem upgrading to Windows 9 if it's locked to this OS and beyond.
 
murah said:
All I want is to not have to upgrade my OS (Win 7 ultimate) to get these features (Unless win 9 is amazing)
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I am like this. I have played about with Windows 8 a couple of times and it is very fast but I just don't like it. It feels like a change i don't want to have to make but hopefully they get it right with Windows 9.
 
triss said:
If DX12 is locked to a o/s please make it win9 not win 8 i've tryed it several times just dont like it :(
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Prior to 8.1, I would have agreed with you.
8.1 is literally a less cluttered Windows 7 with performance improvements, provided you set it up - and I'm not including stuff like StartIsBack. I was able to disable all of the touch/corner gesture features within minutes of installing the OS. The new context menu on the start button, which provides shortcuts to just about everything is brilliant IMO.

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andybird123 said:
http://www.jonpeddie.com/publications/add-in-board-report/

64.9 Q4 2013
64.5 Q3 2013
65.5 Q4 2012
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Those figures include Moble Discrete and Desktop OEM, like the GTX 640 OEM

AMD have very little market share in Laptops and OEM Discrete GPU's, They have APU's for that which aren't included in these figures, pretty much all that is included are retail GPU's.

If you take out what you would call Gaming GPU's Nvidia's market share is a hell of a lot less than that 65%, to put that into context.

In the figures where AMD have those APU's included, which also includes Intel, Intel have about 62%, AMD have about 20% and Nvidia have about 18%, a very stark contrast.

Nvidia's Retail or $100+ Discrete Desktop GPU's is no greater than that of AMD. it might even be less than AMD's share.
 
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humbug said:
Those figures include Moble Discrete and Desktop OEM, like the GTX 640 OEM

AMD have very little market share in Laptops and OEM Discrete GPU's, They have APU's for that which aren't included in these figures, pretty much all that is included are retail GPU's.

If you take out what you would call Gaming GPU's Nvidia's market share is a hell of a lot less than that 65%, to put that into context.

In the figures where AMD have those APU's included, which also includes Intel, Intel have about 62%, AMD have about 20% and Nvidia have about 18%, a very stark contrast.

Nvidia's Retail or $100+ Discrete Desktop GPU's is no greater than that of AMD. it might even be less than AMD's share.
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Because youve provided data to back up your claims.. oh no, wait

APU's in laptops are not used for serious gaming, 670m/680m/770m/780m etc are gaming cards, so of course it is valid to include them, Amd have the 7970m etc too
It isnt like someone is going to choose an AMD Apu over a 670m, they would choose an Intel APU instead

Lots of desktop and mobile CPU's have GPU's built in, they are used in laptops and desktops that Never go anywhere near proper PC gaming, to use CPU figures when talking about gaming market share is contrived and disingenuous, more and more these days the low end desktops that would have had a discrete GPU are ditching them to just use an APU, so this claim that Nvidia sell more low end discrete cards, I dont think it really stacks up anymore

You are also ignoring the fact that weve been told AMD cards have been flying off the shelves and out of stock due to mining, yet their market share in discrete cards did not go up... What is up with that!?
 
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andybird123 said:
Because youve provided data to back up your claims.. oh no, wait

APU's in laptops are not used for serious gaming, 670m/680m/770m/780m etc are gaming cards, so of course it is valid to include them, Amd have the 7970m etc too
It isnt like someone is going to choose an AMD Apu over a 670m, they would choose an Intel APU instead

Lots of desktop and mobile CPU's have GPU's built in, they are used in laptops and desktops that Never go anywhere near proper PC gaming, to use CPU figures when talking about gaming market share is contrived and disingenuous, more and more these days the low end desktops that would have had a discrete GPU are ditching them to just use an APU, so this claim that Nvidia sell more low end discrete cards, I dont think it really stacks up anymore

You are also ignoring the fact that weve been told AMD cards have been flying off the shelves and out of stock due to mining, yet their market share in discrete cards did not go up... What is up with that!?
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Your asking me for proof?

Unfortunately for you you cannot prove that Nvidia are selling more gaming level discrete GPU's than AMD.

I cannot prove that Nvidia sell far more low level Discrete GPU's like the GTX 620/640 to OEM's than AMD do, all i can say its a pretty well know fact, AMD have APU's for that market. you may disagree, if you want to make it more then that.
prove it.

You deny low level discrete Nvidia GPU's are in anyway a significance to Nvidia's market share,
prove it.

All we can say is the discrete GPU figures include Nvidia's low level GPU's, they do not include AMD's or Intle's APU's which both sell to OEM's instead of Nvidia's low level discrete GPU's.

We also know Intel have the lead where all GFX systems are included, with AMD second and Nvidia third.

http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases...l-and-nvidia-graphics-winners-in-q4-amd-down/

Intel 65.1%
AMD 18.3%
Nvidia 16.6%

PS: AMD mobile APU's sales took a 26.7% hit, Late to the market with new ones, and yet it made little difference to their overall share (2.4 percentage points.) i think that shows you how little impact their mobile APU's actually have, for that reason i would argue that their Desktop APU's are far more prominent.
 
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The alternative to an Amd Apu is not discrete card, it is an Intel APU
You cant take Apu sales and say they apply to Pc gaming, as mostly APU's are sold in to business machines as the cheapest option to just get 2D and basic GPU acceleration
Businesses arent going to buy an Intel chip with no GPU and then buy an nvidia discrete card, when they can just get a cheaper intel Cpu (or Amd) that already does that job, and business buy a hell of a lot more PC's than home/gamers

You simply cant take CPU sales and apply that to PC gaming GPU's, it doesnt matter how many times you claim that, in the absence of any top tier only sales data, the AIB report is the best we have, and again i'll remind you that AMD's sales from figures include people buying 20 cards and mining with them instead of gaming, so to claim tha nvidia's figures are skewed by low end cards and irrelevant without also making an adjustment for mining is simply bizare

When talking about how GPU sales might impact a developers choice of API, AAA tier game developers are not going to be saying "oh, Amd sell lots of APU's, so lets target that market and totally ignore nvidia and intel"
 
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No need for that Diagro. Andybird has posted links of figures, whilst no one else has, so he his claims are backed up whilst no one else is, so don't get so personal.

Anyways, I looked on the Steam Survey, which should be fairly representative of actual gamers and it looks like this:

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Over 50% being nVidia and 30% being AMD.

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When you break that down, you have 4% with Intel HD4000 and 3.5% with Intel HD3000 and in 4th, Intel HD2000. Not what I would consider Discrete GPU's and have a big interest in gaming but still there are the facts for that. You then move on and we have 7 nVidia GPU's before AMD makes a show (which happens to be a 7850), 4 more nVidia GPU's and another AMD card (7770), 2 more nVidia.... You can see what I am saying in the results.

It is pretty evident that nVidia have more discrete cards than AMD in gaming computers (just taking this steam survey at face value).
 
Gregster said:
Anyways, I looked on the Steam Survey, which should be fairly representative of actual gamers and it looks like this:
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52.38% Nvidia
31.03% AMD
Rest = garbage nobody games on :P

from that you have 83.41% usable.

52.38 is 62.8% of 83.41
31.03 is 37.2% of 83.41

So as far as Steam gamers are concerned:

62.8% Nvidia
37.2% AMD
 
ubersonic said:
52.38% Nvidia
31.03% AMD
Rest = garbage nobody games on :P

from that you have 83.41% usable.

52.38 is 62.8% of 83.41
31.03 is 37.2% of 83.41

So as far as Steam gamers are concerned:

62.8% Nvidia
37.2% AMD
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I was about to post the same thing ;)
so two separate independent unbiased sources come within single digits of agreeing with each other, one of which only gathers data from a games service, yet they are both wrong and some guy on a forum says Nvidia mostly sells low end cards to businesses, so he must be correct :D

The other interesting thing is to see Nvidia selling/using lots of *60/*70 class cards, which is what i would have assumed most "PC Gamers" would aim for.
 
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I was about to post the same Uber but ran out of fingers and toes doing the math and I would need a shave by the time I had finished :D
 
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