DirectX 12

humbug · 5 Apr 2014 at 13:39

JGStonedRaider said:
So AMD cards can use shadowplay and stream via GPU to twitch? I think not. Each brand has different values and there are pro's and con's from each brand. Mantle / Shadowplay. For me shadowplay is a HUGE thing as mantle / trueaudio will be for others.

When people compare similar GTX cards we are generally talking a difference of what...5% between cards? I'd say price / features is far more important than a measly few percent points.

Yes, the Gaming Evolved App does that.

Martini1991 · 5 Apr 2014 at 13:52

humbug said:
Yes, the Gaming Evolved App does that.

The gaming evolved app allows us to record our playing using the GPU? If so, how? Because I can't see how to do it.

humbug · 5 Apr 2014 at 13:56

Martini1991 said:
The gaming evolved app allows us to record our playing using the GPU? If so, how?

He didn't say anything about recording, but that is coming, John Mautari is integrating RadeoPro Infinity into it.

For now for recording i use Mirillis Action with the AMD GPU encoding App.

Boomstick777 · 5 Apr 2014 at 13:57

humbug said:
Boomstick, Your really scraping the bottom of the barrel making such a huge issue out of the fact that a card an Nvidia cards now 3 generations out of date can run DX12 while AMD's old generation can't.

Oh wait. its Nvidia making a huge issue out of it, Boomstick is just playing follow the leader.

You are bonkers mate

. DM / Charlie was making the issue out of it as usual lol. I was just posting what had actually been stated.

So many petty people here. Getting upset over this LOL.

Funny because I use AMD and Nvidia without getting emotional..

Most of here upgrade every year anyway, what are you even talking about !!

Martini1991 · 5 Apr 2014 at 13:58

humbug said:
He didn't say anything about recording, but that is coming, John Mautari is integrating RadeoPro Infinity into it.

For now for recording i use Mirillis Action with the AMD GPU encoding App.

I believe he did with Shadowplay?

humbug · 5 Apr 2014 at 14:01

Martini1991 said:
I believe he did with Shadowplay?

Yes he asked if AMD could use Shadow Play, of course not, its proprietary Nvidia. AMD have the GE App as an equivalent.

Martini1991 · 5 Apr 2014 at 14:02

humbug said:
Yes he asked if AMD could use Shadow Play, of course not, its proprietary Nvidia. AMD have the GE App as an equivalent.

You're moving the goalposts.

Shadowplay records the footage using the GPU.

I asked, can the GE app do that? You said "He said anything about recording", which he did, hence shadowplay.

The name is irrelevant, but the GE app can't record gameplay using the GPU currently, which is what shadowplay does.

humbug · 5 Apr 2014 at 14:08

Martini1991 said:
You're moving the goalposts.

Shadowplay records the footage using the GPU.

I asked, can the GE app do that? You said "He said anything about recording", which he did, hence shadowplay.

The name is irrelevant, but the GE app can't record gameplay using the GPU currently, which is what shadowplay does.

I answer his question, if you think he asked about recording by proxy then thats your take on it, i'm not going to argue with you over whose interpretation is better.

Take it or leave it. I really don't care as much as you do.

JGStonedRaider · 5 Apr 2014 at 14:21

Both AMD and Nvidia can use Dxtory etc but that's not what I was saying. Recording with Shadowplay with GPU has almost no hit on performance which is especially noticeable in 64 man BF4 when compared to Dxtory and others. So recording via GPU with less hit is something that Nvidia currently have over AMD, bear in mind you can also record and live stream to twitch which is huge.

If you want an elgato or mirrilis action that's fine but it's extra expense and takes away from price / perf of AMD.

Gregster · 5 Apr 2014 at 14:25

shankly1985 said:
And in two years time do you really think a Guy with GTX4 is going to be running latest DX12 games?

If you look at the nVidia forums, you would be surprised what people run. Plenty talking about 8800 series cards and 260's still, so yes, people in 2 years will probably still be running 4 series cards.

JGStonedRaider · 5 Apr 2014 at 14:26

^^^^ Yup, I had my 580 for just under 3 years (it blew up before the warranty expired woo hoo) and I was playing the latest DX11.2 game BF4 for hrs a day so yes people will still be using 480's etc in years to come.

Yes I know my card couldn't do 11.2 btw

Gregster · 5 Apr 2014 at 14:30

JGStonedRaider said:
^^^^ Yup, I had my 580 for just under 3 years (it blew up before the warranty expired woo hoo) and I was playing the latest DX11.2 game BF4 for hrs a day so yes people will still be using 480's etc in years to come.

Yes I know my card couldn't do 11.2 btw

I am still rocking an 8800GT in my other computer. It can still play DX11 games with no problems

humbug · 5 Apr 2014 at 14:31

JGStonedRaider said:
Both AMD and Nvidia can use Dxtory etc but that's not what I was saying. Recording with Shadowplay has almost no hit on performance which is especially noticeable in 64 man BF4 when compared to Dxtory and others. So recording via GPU with less hit is something that Nvidia currently have over AMD, bear in mind you can also record and live stream to twitch which is huge.

If you want an elgato or mirrilis action that's fine but it's extra expense and takes away from price / perf.

Mirrilis Action actually works very well if you use the built-in AMD encoding App, the picture quality is excellent and the file small.

The only down side is that it costs money, £18, recording in Shadow Play is free, so yes it has that, but even that is only a temporary advantage as its only a matter of time before John integrates that and a whole lot more awesome stuff and tweaks into the GE App.

Now, we can argue till the cows come home if that is worth the extra money for similar; or in most cases less GPU, i would argue what most people really want is to get as much Game as they can for their money.

drunkenmaster · 5 Apr 2014 at 14:48

Boomstick777 said:
You are bonkers mate . DM / Charlie was making the issue out of it as usual lol. I was just posting what had actually been stated.

So many petty people here. Getting upset over this LOL.

Funny because I use AMD and Nvidia without getting emotional..

Most of here upgrade every year anyway, what are you even talking about !!

Thanks once again for saying I was making an issue out of it, but I wasn't. After you accused me of making stuff up and failed to reply to me asking what it was I made up.

I was clearing up a misleading post someone else made, nothing more or less. That person claimed the majority of AMD gpu's don't support DX12, which is rubbish. Everything AMD have sold for a couple of years AND the next 2 years will support DX12. it's a non issue. You accused me of having a go at Nvidia, and someone else accused me of trashing Nvidia, which I absolutely in no way did.

tommybhoy · 5 Apr 2014 at 14:55

The DX12 support argument is daft to say the least.

In 2 years time the high end Nvidia 6 series/Amd 7 series top end gpus will be slower than the then mid range series, good luck trying to play DX12 on a 4 series gpu on the lowest settings= roll back to DX 11.

Gregster said:
I am still rocking an 8800GT in my other computer. It can still play DX11 games with no problems

It must be pretty old games then.

My 9800gt struggles, even if you drop settings to low/reduce res, far from a happy gaming experience on yesteryears titles never mind todays titles.

humbug · 5 Apr 2014 at 15:00

Wait a minute, is the 8800GT even a DX11 capable GPU? i though the first DX11 capable GPU was the GTX 500 series.

Anyway, many years ago i had two 9800GT in SLI, good GPU's for the time but would cringe at putting them through Crysis 3 or BF4 at 1080P now.

Gregster · 5 Apr 2014 at 15:01

As I get told many times, we (the users on this forum) don't count for the general user base. Hell, look at the Steam survey for a deeper look to see what is what for gamers. The mass of users on the Steam survey are rocking older cards from both nVidia and AMD and 18 months is long in terms of tech but people will still be using the older tech to game with.

How many of those will still be using a 5 series card for instance (note that the 560Ti/550Ti/460) are banging around the top. It is good that this user base is getting to use the core of DX12 and negating the need to upgrade.

Martini1991 · 5 Apr 2014 at 15:05

The first Nvidia DX11 was the 4XX.
The GT8800 isn't DX11, but as far as I know, there's no DX11 only games, the 8800GT will play them, but not in DX11.

humbug · 5 Apr 2014 at 15:06

Gregster said:
As I get told many times, we (the users on this forum) don't count for the general user base. Hell, look at the Steam survey for a deeper look to see what is what for gamers. The mass of users on the Steam survey are rocking older cards from both nVidia and AMD and 18 months is long in terms of tech but people will still be using the older tech to game with.

How many of those will still be using a 5 series card for instance (note that the 560Ti/550Ti/460) are banging around the top. It is good that this user base is getting to use the core of DX12 and negating the need to upgrade.

I could be wrong but i think the 560Ti/550Ti/460 is what you find in most pre-built OEM Desktops. which is what most people buy, we are in the minority here.

tommybhoy · 5 Apr 2014 at 15:09

Pop cap games, Steam supports hundreds of igp playable titles.

DX12 gpu support is ridiculous tbh and a non story, for example, Watchdogs minimum requirements is a 460 and it hasn't been released yet, fast forward 2yrs, what's the minimum requirements going to be?