DirectX 12

[Gregster]

I could be wrong but i think the 560Ti/550Ti/460 is what you find in most pre-built OEM Desktop. which is what most people buy, we are in the minority here.

+1 (no idea what the GPU is in the OEM's machines mostly though).

We are the minority and clearly you can see from Steam that the majority are still rocking older cards. I feel it is great that cards as early as the 4 series are DX12 capable and a massive plus if you still own one.

As for my 8800GT playing DX11 games, yep it does

 

[humbug]

+1 (no idea what the GPU is in the OEM's machines mostly though).

We are the minority and clearly you can see from Steam that the majority are still rocking older cards. I feel it is great that cards as early as the 4 series are DX12 capable and a massive plus if you still own one.

As for my 8800GT playing DX11 games, yep it does

The 8/9### series was good, yes, but are you sure they are actually running the game in DX11 mode, most games have DX9 where a DX11 GPU is not available.

 

[Gregster]

Pop cap games, Steam supports hundreds of igp playable titles.

DX12 gpu support is ridiculous tbh and a non story, for example, Watchdogs minimum requirements is a 460 and it hasn't been released yet, fast forward 2yrs, what's the minimum requirements going to be?

You are being very naive and dismissing older cards so easily is a little harsh. Some people will not upgrade every gen and the majority of casual gamers will not upgrade because there is something new out.

 

[Gregster]

The 8/9### series was good, yes, but are you sure they are actually running the game in DX11 mode, most games have DX9 where a DX11 GPU is not available.

I never said I could run DX11 mode, I said it was happily playing DX11 games. (pointing to modern titles).

 

[tommybhoy]

It's not naive/harsh, it's called realistic.

A 6/7 year old gpu isn't going to remotely give an enjoyable experience-in even more demanding future titles.

How much gaming and what titles is your 8800gt rocking?

Not so long ago you said you had to drop titles to medium to get decent playability running on a 6970, where does that leave future entry level(high end 4/5 series) DX12 gpus?

 

[humbug]

I never said I could run DX11 mode, I said it was happily playing DX11 games. (pointing to modern titles).

Ok

 

[Gregster]

Not sure what relevance that has to the cards being DX12 compatible. Whether people use older cards or no isn't my concern lol. I'll upgrade regardless for more hardware grunt..

The official line is GTX 4XX onwards for Nvidia and HD 7XXX onwards for AMD.

Why people getting bent out of shape over this?

It's obvious why they are getting flustered, AMD do not support from what we know dx12 on as many previous generations as Nvidia. For some strange reason they feel the need to defend AMD by trashing Nvidia for this.

Looking back on some of the comments, Stanners is 100% right for me.

Surely nobody begrudges older card users the ability to game on DX12? Shameful if so.

 

[humbug]

Looking back on some of the comments, Stanners is 100% right for me.

I think its argumentative to suggest pepole making the point that DX12 compatibility not being available on GPU's 3 generations out of date, 4 Generations by the time it gets here as an over blown none issue is in some way born out of frustration.

Its just making a point, its fine to dissagree, but to put it in such a way that looks like its designed to get a rise out of people is not the best policy for a sane debate, i think Stanners could have used a more sane response.

So, its not best quote to agree with.

Tommy makes a good point IMO, perhaps a sane response to that might be the best course of action if anyone has one?

In any case a 6970 or whatever before that will be physically at least 4 or 5 years old by the time DX12 is here, so an ageing GPU.

 

[jh30uk]

This is a topic about DX which Nvidia were 1st to say they support on all 400+ series GPU's, AMD did not state at same time and then said only some but not sure.

Sick of these thread getting turned into AMD topics.

DX12 early access is this year if you even read/watched the videos.

So will a Titan/780/Ti/ be obsolete and slow by Dec 31st 2014?

 

[TheRealDeal]

This is a topic about DX which Nvidia were 1st to say they support on all 400+ series GPU's, AMD did not state at same time and then said only some but not sure.

Sick of these thread getting turned into AMD topics.

DX12 early access is this year if you even read/watched the videos.

So will a Titan/780/Ti/ be obsolete and slow by Dec 31st 2014?

Early access for what though as the first game for dx12 is Christmas next year by which time hopefully the cards you listed are mid range.

 

[SkeeterUK]

Saw on linustechtips stream last night that he said win 7 was gona have dx12 so im happy about that.

Btw sry if its been asked yet but i was wondering if dx12 beta when it comes and then the final version, will they help dx9 games at all or just dx 12 optimized games? I do hope they help dx9 games because most of the games out there are dx9 as very few devs have made games for dx10 or 11 yet so dx12 games hmm probs wont see or see a lot of dx12 games for quite awhile i fear. I just hope we get some of that "closer to the metal" performance when dx12 beta/final comes out for us nvidia users who cant use mantle.

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/134921-directx-12-will-be-supported-on-windows-7-and-up/

 

[humbug]

Saw on linustechtips stream last night that he said win 7 was gona have dx12 so im happy about that.

That would be good, i can ditch horrible Windows 8.1, sorry, i just don't like it

 

[Gregster]

I think its argumentative to suggest pepole making the point that DX12 compatibility not being available on GPU's 3 generations out of date, 4 Generations by the time it gets here as an over blown none issue is in some way born out of frustration.

Its just making a point, its fine to dissagree, but to put it in such a way that looks like its designed to get a rise out of people is not the best policy for a sane debate, i think Stanners could have used a more sane response.

So, its not best quote to agree with.

Tommy makes a good point IMO, perhaps a sane response to that might be the best course of action if anyone has one?

In any case a 6970 or whatever before that will be physically at least 4 or 5 years old by the time DX12 is here, so an ageing GPU.

A 6970 will not be DX12 compatible but still capable of playing DX12 games (pretty much the same as an 8800GT being able to play DX11 games). I seriously don't get the need for people to jump on older tech, when we clearly see threads with people asking for a GPU to last a couple of years. Like I said, look at the nVidia forums and see the amount using a 460/8800 still and fair play to them. I don't feel the need to knock them like some here but not everyone wants to buy the latest GPU's.

Look at it this way:

A GTX 580 is 3.5 years old and can cope very well with high settings in modern games. Will the 580 be a non story when DX12 is released because it will be 5 years old?

 

[Martini1991]

That would be good, i can ditch horrible Windows 8.1, sorry, i just don't like it

I'd suggest you look in the Windows forum here at the update 1 of Windows 8.1, it'll probably change a lot of minds.

I can't understand the hate for Windows 8 at all.

 

[TheRealDeal]

That would be good, i can ditch horrible Windows 8.1, sorry, i just don't like it

I downloaded a free start bar and honestly can't notice any difference.

 

[pgi947]

On topic of the older cards....I thought half the point of a lower overhead api was to effectively beef up older hardware? Which makes Greg's point entirely valid.

 

[Tonester0011]

I can't understand the hate for Windows 8 at all.

I'm not a fan of change
Plus, W7 works so unless it no longer does what i need i doubt i'll move over to a new OS.

 

[Gregster]

On topic of the older cards....I thought half the point of a lower overhead api was to effectively beef up older hardware? Which makes Greg's point entirely valid.

Yer, I am honestly scratching my head at the guys who are questioning older cards playing DX12. If newer DX's has taught us anything, it is the ability to run games more efficiently and breathe longevity into an older card. I only see this as good and don't see the need to dismiss older cards as "too old and don't count"

I didn't realise we had so many snobs on the forums

I'm not a fan of change
Plus, W7 works so unless it no longer does what i need i doubt i'll move over to a new OS.

Same for me. I have W8 but just hate change (for an OS). I know my comps OS inside out and don't take it away from me please MS.

 

[humbug]

A 6970 will not be DX12 compatible but still capable of playing DX12 games (pretty much the same as an 8800GT being able to play DX11 games). I seriously don't get the need for people to jump on older tech, when we clearly see threads with people asking for a GPU to last a couple of years. Like I said, look at the nVidia forums and see the amount using a 460/8800 still and fair play to them. I don't feel the need to knock them like some here but not everyone wants to buy the latest GPU's.

Look at it this way:

A GTX 580 is 3.5 years old and can cope very well with high settings in modern games. Will the 580 be a non story when DX12 is released because it will be 5 years old?

Whose knocking older GPU's? i'm certainly not.

I'd suggest you look in the Windows forum here at the update 1 of Windows 8.1, it'll probably change a lot of minds.

I can't understand the hate for Windows 8 at all.

Will it have Aero? get rid of those horrid pastel colour tiles, will it look less like it was designed by a 5 year old using crayons?

Will it stop trying prioritise those awful windows Apps for everything that it can? will i actually be able to exit those windows App's fully if i do ever use them? this instead of them pretending to be off while actually running in the background using resources and monitoring your activities, sending that data to Microsoft's partners to sell on to commercial spammers?

 

[drunkenmaster]

Hands up who complained about DX9, 9c, 10, 11 being supported only on unreleased hardware(at the time of announcement of the API)....... waiting for all the Nvidia guys to stick hands up because obviously backwards support has always been a monumental issue we always cared about.

It's not an issue Nvidia users are bringing up now because the backwards support MIGHT be better for Nvidia on DX12.

You know how many people using a 4870/8800gt still or a Intel IGP care about the performance increase from DX12... errm, none. The guys who are most interested in api's to enable more performance, are they guys who have bleeding edge gpu's anyway.

By the time DX12 is out my 290's will be sold and I'll have next gen cards. I'm fine if only the next gen cards had DX12, I didn't have a problem when my 4870 didn't have dx11.

It's amazing that people choose to care passionately about things they never cared about before in the slightest when they can use it to rub the other guys noses in it.

Also again, DX12 is NOT OUT TODAY, supposed support TODAY means nothing compared to the potential support in 18 months.

DX12 could change and not support 480gtx's because they decided to add a feature that won't work on it. AMD could easily continue to add further support for older gens over the next 18 months. Either is entirely possible, yet it's Nvidia guys who want to talk about the supposed current compatibility of something not available till the end of next year(presuming it's on time that is), I wonder why?

DX12 isn't going to magically make old games faster on old hardware. A 4870 will struggle to run a game in detail/frame rate today, let alone games 2 years on from today when the industry has moved on to supporting mostly "next gen" engines with much more memory. 4870/8800gt, nor 5870/480gtx will be the target group of cards when new games are made to look their best. The general idea behind ANY big jump in performance is not to double frame rate every generation of gpu's, but to use the new power for new more advanced features. The fundamental idea is to take a game, reduce overhead and then use that power for something else. Old cards won't have the power to run new more intensive effects regardless.

If someone with a 4870/5870 cared hugely about performance in the latest games they would have upgraded their gpu surely? The very fact they would still have that card, suggests they don't feel any need for more performance surely? If so what benefit is more performance to them if they have the option to get it now but don't? I want more performance, thus more performance is welcomed.