DirectX 12

[Ayahuasca]

people seem to lack the knowledge required to realise an API made to cover all types of hardware combinations will never work as well as one made for a specific architecture

 

[Rusty0611]

I do wonder how much gain Mantle will give as AMD churn out new cards. The gains we're seeing at the moment are "OK" probably a large part due to being bolted on at the end of development. So gains would be larger if brought in at an earlier stage.

However, how much gain will Mantle have over say a more lean DX once AMD release new cards. Will it lose its advantage once Mantle has to cater for other architectures other than GCN? I know AMD have said that Mantle can work with anything but this isn't what I'm getting at.

 

[Sin_Chase]

Whatever it is the effect that Mantle has for me is where the CPU is a bottleneck issue the performance increases by as much as 130% and the CPU bottleneck is gone.

If DX12 does the same i will be extactic, i just doubt it will.

But that's because you have a trash CPU, it's hardly surprising.

 

[Silent_Scone]

people seem to lack the knowledge required to realise an API made to cover all types of hardware combinations will never work as well as one made for a specific architecture

There is a fantastic amount of irony within just a few words. Would you care to enlighten us on how Mantle is going to tackle this then?


Mantle isn't tied to a specific architecture however it is currently written to extract performance out of GCN hardware. It will likely stay that way for some time. The performance extracted in the two games currently on show isn't exactly what I'd call a breath of fresh air. Nvidia's 'miracle' driver as it's called suggestively - is nothing more than a beamingly obvious example that these overheads can easily be mimicked through driver optimisation within our currently and already firmly planted DirectX.

Mantle doesn't change the ground work on which we all use, it's still tied into the same IS and processors we all use today. Basically in a nutshell, which on it's own seems like a blatantly obvious bait - Mantle can't do anything DirectX 12 won't be able to do.

 

[jh30uk]

And to peeps with high-end GPU's who also normally have high-end CPU's will not gain as much for either as peeps with lesser hardware.

I doubt I am going to run out and buy a GTX 8XX/amd 3XX and a i5 next gen and run it at 2GHZ due to mantle or DX.

 

[Ayahuasca]

There is a fantastic amount of irony within just a few words. Would you care to enlighten us on how Mantle is going to tackle this then?

da **** you on about, I didn't say mantle would tackle anything. I'm getting at those who think mantle is the best thing since sliced bread because directx can't compare atm

 

[Silent_Scone]

That goes against what you've said, as Mantle is the only API that is currently only supported on one GPU architecture! Nevermind

 

[Ayahuasca]

that's what I said in my post......

 

[TheRealDeal]

This.

Not sure why people are so quick to not even give DX12 a chance (and I don't care about it being xbox). It reads like people want to see it fail to me but then I see that they favour AMD and so it all makes sense.

Yea that must be it. It's because people use AMD or could it be that past history shows they are right to be cautious of what MS are promising. Mantle would not even have been released if Microsoft had done there job properly. Seriously not everything comes down to what brand you use especially when MS the company that produces DX have a past history of lackluster releases when it comes to PC gaming.

If AMD told you there next CPU's were gonna beat anything Intel offers would you blindly believe them after there last few Cpu release. Most likely not and you would say it's only common sense not to judging by the past. There's nothing really different here and Brand does not need to be a reason to think this way.

Hell you could even say that with all the developers jumping on the mantle ship that's a small sign that they don't believe or have faith in MS delivering on there promises.

 

[jesusismyairbag]

hopefully this is better than that trash they call dx11

 

[Gregster]

Yea that must be it. It's because people use AMD or could it be that past history shows they are right to be cautious of what MS are promising. Mantle would not even have been released if Microsoft had done there job properly. Seriously not everything comes down to what brand you use especially when MS the company that produces DX have a past history of lackluster releases when it comes to PC gaming.

If AMD told you there next CPU's were gonna beat anything Intel offers would you blindly believe them after there last few Cpu release. Most likely not and you would say it's only common sense not to judging by the past. There's nothing really different here and Brand does not need to be a reason to think this way.

Hell you could even say that with all the developers jumping on the mantle ship that's a small sign that they don't believe or have faith in MS delivering on there promises.

Not sure what your point is but for the most part, DX has been fantastic. When games are coded properly, I get very good scaling with SLI and games look sweet and that wasn't thanks to Mantle, that was down to the game devs and mostly Microsoft.

Sure there is OGL I could use but DX is still the main for all PC gamers. I am not prepared to jump on the hate train purely because Microsoft are releasing a new DX but because AMD have Mantle, all of a sudden, DX is bad and Microsoft have done nothing for gamers.

Whilst I am sure the guys with GCN are happy as larry with Mantle on those 2 games (and more to come), I am happy with DX and sorry if that doesn't suit your arguemnt but I have spent many many hours as an enthusiast using DX without issue.

You crack on though brother and I am sure your old 6870 will be fine with either Mantle or DX

 

[tommybhoy]

Easy enough to understand what real deal said, because some of us are cautious of MS commitment does'nt equate for DX hate.


It's the usual words twisted as per usual to suit it looking like an AMD fanboy hate parade.

AMD users stand to benefit the most you know lol.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Not sure what your point is but for the most part, DX has been fantastic. When games are coded properly, I get very good scaling with SLI and games look sweet and that wasn't thanks to Mantle, that was down to the game devs and mostly Microsoft.

Sure there is OGL I could use but DX is still the main for all PC gamers. I am not prepared to jump on the hate train purely because Microsoft are releasing a new DX but because AMD have Mantle, all of a sudden, DX is bad and Microsoft have done nothing for gamers.

Whilst I am sure the guys with GCN are happy as larry with Mantle on those 2 games (and more to come), I am happy with DX and sorry if that doesn't suit your arguemnt but I have spent many many hours as an enthusiast using DX without issue.

You crack on though brother and I am sure your old 6870 will be fine with either Mantle or DX

Some nice snobbery there with your comments about my old 6870. It meets my needs for my current gaming needs atm. Bottom line is you only really know DX so who is to say the visuals and performance you are getting is good. The game Dev's seem to think they can't get the best out of pc hardware because of dx so in reality your performance and visuals are sub par to what your hardware could achieve.

 

[LtMatt]

You've gone down a peg in my estimations Gregorio after that comment. You're on the last peg on the washing line. Once you're out of pegs you go in the laundry basket with the rest of the dirty linen.

 

[Gregster]

Some nice snobbery there with your comments about my old 6870. It meets my needs for my current gaming needs atm. Bottom line is you only really know DX so who is to say the visuals and performance you are getting is good. The game Dev's seem to think they can't get the best out of pc hardware because of dx so in reality your performance and visuals are sub par to what your hardware could achieve.

How is that snobbery? You can't use Mantle and hence my point about Mantle or DX on your old 6870. Geeeez, does everything have to be buttered up and wrapped in cotton wool? You are using DX and if you hated it so much, why not buy a GCN card and then never use DX again.

 

[Boomstick777]

You've gone down a peg in my estimations Gregorio after that comment. You're on the last peg on the washing line. Once you're out of pegs you go in the laundry basket with the rest of the dirty linen.

You don't even make the laundry basket, in the bin with the rest of the fanboy trash

You fanboys make me sick lol.

Direct X, Mantle it's all good. Just be glad there is focus on what we all enjoy..

 

[Boomstick777]

How is that snobbery? You can't use Mantle and hence my point about Mantle or DX on your old 6870. Geeeez, does everything have to be buttered up and wrapped in cotton wool?

Don't try and reason with them Gregster. School boy error

Just know that you are better and they are foolish... Very foolish

 

[Gregster]

You've gone down a peg in my estimations Gregorio after that comment. You're on the last peg on the washing line. Once you're out of pegs you go in the laundry basket with the rest of the dirty linen.

But then it all comes out in the wash and I end up smelling of roses again

 

[TheRealDeal]

How is that snobbery? You can't use Mantle and hence my point about Mantle or DX on your old 6870. Geeeez, does everything have to be buttered up and wrapped in cotton wool? You are using DX and if you hated it so much, why not buy a GCN card and then never use DX again.

You sure you and Rusty ain't the same lol

I got you calling it Old and him calling it little. Do i call your card Big Titan or your newer Titan than my card, why not just say your 6870 can't use mantle. I got eyes and i can read. Having first hand experience is not needed to have an opinion. I read other people's experiences to gain an understanding.

Tell me how much experience of GPU accelerated PhysX effects do you have on your little 6870?

Stonking card btw I loved mine before I sold it 2 years ago.

 

[Gregster]

My Titans are old, My CPU is old, I am old but I am not offended because someone refers to them/me as old.

So you have a little old 6870. Nice one

Edit:

To keep this on track... Are you not interested in using DX12 then? If so, where are you looking to mainly game?