DirectX 12

jakspyder · 20 Mar 2014 at 18:01

Can i have it yet? Is it fast?

humbug · 20 Mar 2014 at 18:01

LtMatt said:
Mantle has almost two years to grow.

Well its going to be 'at least' a year before the first DX12 games come on market.
DX12 does not look like it has anything from Mantle in it, Mantle is still gaining more support from Developers which begs the question, how impressed are developers with DX12, or not?

Martini1991 · 20 Mar 2014 at 18:05

Is there lots of egg on face

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I'm not watching it (But I noticed Humbugs part about the lack of Mantle stuff in DirectX)

LtMatt · 20 Mar 2014 at 18:06

jh30uk said:
Or be dead by then when/if Windows 9+DX12 is here.

So peeps with most of the old G-Force 400 series cards will enjoy DX12, good for them

But why are so many devs signing up to it then? I'd agree if it were not for that. There must be a reason, you'd think.

jakspyder · 20 Mar 2014 at 18:06

I think the big potential positive for mantle, is if they make it linux/mac supported. Something DX never will be. I think if they managed that, (and got it working well) They'd be able to fight their corner effectively.

Martini1991 · 20 Mar 2014 at 18:09

jakspyder said:
I think the big potential positive for mantle, is if they make it linux/mac supported. Something DX never will be. I think if they managed that, (and got it working well) They'd be able to fight their corner effectively.

The problem with that of course, is the biggest pusher of Mantle titles ; EA, doesn't have a Linux client for Origin, of which BF4 etc are.

mrk · 20 Mar 2014 at 18:10

I don't understand exactly what's going on here. I missed the whole Mantle beginning.

I just want kick ass graphics!

Cambofrog · 20 Mar 2014 at 18:11

LtMatt said:
Mantle has almost two years to grow.

You think Windows 9/DirectX 12 is two years away?

Serious question.

Martini1991 · 20 Mar 2014 at 18:11

Cambofrog said:
You think Windows 9/DirectX 12 is two years away?

Serious question.

Think we're close to 18 months tbh ; October 2015.
I'd expect previews well before that (Of which we had about 3? Windows 8 ones)

I'd be very surprised if we didn't have Windows 9 previews by 2015 Q1.

Whether DX12 is there or not is largely irrelevant as the games won't be.

LtMatt · 20 Mar 2014 at 18:12

Cambofrog said:
You think Windows 9/DirectX 12 is two years away?

Serious question.

Says the first games won't show up till Xmas 2015.

humbug · 20 Mar 2014 at 18:15

jakspyder said:
I think the big potential positive for mantle, is if they make it linux/mac supported. Something DX never will be. I think if they managed that, (and got it working well) They'd be able to fight their corner effectively.

A bit like OpenGL, only it actually has support among developers.

Cambofrog · 20 Mar 2014 at 18:21

I'm thinking MS may make DX 12 available for Windows 7 onwards because of the competition.

If they don't, they obviously think Mantle is *****.

humbug · 20 Mar 2014 at 18:26

Cambofrog said:
I'm thinking MS may make DX 12 available for Windows 7 onwards because of the competition.

If they don't, they obviously think Mantle is *****.

If they make DX12 available on Windows 7 no one will have a reason to buy a new Windows OS

Zeed · 20 Mar 2014 at 18:30

DX12 will be new Windows Seller so i am 99% sure it wont come to 7 or 8.1

Orangey · 20 Mar 2014 at 18:30

When does Frosty come back from Butlins, poor Gregorio is fighting under strength!

Cambofrog · 20 Mar 2014 at 18:33

humbug said:
If they make DX12 available on Windows 7 no one will have a reason to buy a new Windows OS

Shush.

Lord_ZED said:
DX12 will be new Windows Seller so i am 99% sure it wont come to 7 or 8.1

Oy.

Boomstick777 · 20 Mar 2014 at 18:40

Ryan Shrout:

NVIDIA will support DX12 on Fermi, Kepler, Maxwell and forward!

NVIDIA represents about 55% of the install base.

Developers already have DX12 drivers. The Forza demo was running on NVIDIA!!!

By the time they ship, 50% of all PC gamers will be DX12 capable.

Ouch, targeting Holiday 2015 games.

Some shots,

Cambofrog · 20 Mar 2014 at 18:50

Obviously, MS will have been developing DX 12 for some time and discussing the driver interface with the hardware vendors.

Maybe the new driver model didn't favor AMD, hence Mantle.
Just speculating.

Edit: Obviously discussed under NDA.

pgi947 · 20 Mar 2014 at 19:18

Sounds good going by those slides. Though you have to wonder, if Microsoft deliver on the above where does that leave mantle? No developer is going to want to waste time pushing out two close to the metal api's delivering probably the same performance.

Perhaps mantle has served its purpose of giving Microsoft and the gaming industry a swift kick up the bum.

triss · 20 Mar 2014 at 19:23

pgi947 said:
Sounds good going by those slides. Though you have to wonder, if Microsoft deliver on the above where does that leave mantle? No developer is going to want to waste time pushing out two close to the metal api's delivering probably the same performance.

Perhaps mantle has served its purpose of giving Microsoft and the gaming industry a swift kick up the bum.

Well atm mantle will be fine as dx 12 isnt out and iirc only thing i've seen linked for it ii games in 2015.
Mantles here and usable to some dev's now, They have a big advantage if they can build up a big useage and it works aswell if not better than dx 12 when its released they will have a big advantage for dev's to carry on using it