Soldato
Huge difference.
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Bugs or not, there was definitely issues with amds representation of ray tracing. Was posted way back in the usual threads and even using matts own footage, you could see there was clearly an issue with fc 6 before game or/and amd drivers arrived.
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So we had fake pixels, then fake frames and now fake light rays - none of these came from game engine but were instead added by AI algorithms. You can say it's better but it's as true as AI generated images - they are what AI thinks they should be and not what would really be there if it was actually calculated properly. But then again, current GPUs are still way way too slow for true calculations and such shortcuts are necessary for real time graphics in games.
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Does it matter if it looks better? Every part of every game ever made is fake - it's a simulation.
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Portal RTX getting the 3.5 treatment 
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What I got from the video presentation is that it's fixing what the normal denoiser does by using AI to make a more informed decision vs the more "hard-coded" approach. I mean everything in a game is generated, so why not have it be intelligent and dynamic vs static.
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NVM
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Extra glassy RT, the new bloom, chuck it everywhere. In cyberpunk all the showcase vids look the same.
pavement - glass
wall - glass,
car - glass
glass - x2 glass
concrete - frosted glass
And alanwake 2 getting pathtraced holy ****. There’s a comparison shot and it’s crazy how good everything looks. Cant link cause mobile and cba… also the preview premiere inc.
Edit : https://wccftech.com/alan-wake-ii-t...fare-3-fortnite-payday-3-also-get-dlss-3/amp/
Linked but to the article, not the comparison directly.
Edit : https://wccftech.com/alan-wake-ii-t...fare-3-fortnite-payday-3-also-get-dlss-3/amp/
Linked but to the article, not the comparison directly.
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AI isn't a simulation. It's closer to hallucinations. That said, it matters but only in photorealistic image, which current games even with best possible RT implementations aren't even close to (for various reasons, mostly textures and other assets).
What do you mean by static? Game engine with RT renders things dynamically not statically. AI has nothing to do with dynamism. And yes, it masks (and not fixes) the problem with current GPUs just being still magnitudes too slow for what Nvidia is pushing gaming market to implement. Which is why you need denoising in the first place, as noise is the effect of very small number of rays actually being calculated. All else is approximation of approximation really, including AI layer on top of that.
That said, I didn't say it's bad, it's instead necessary. But one should realise it's all just approximations and hallucinations and not what actually would be there if it all was properly calculated. We will never get actually photorealistic images this way, before GPUs become magnitudes faster than they are now. None of which influences how fun games are (or aren't) to play, though.
And horrible textures in many places, so close to 0 details when moving up close. To me textures matter the most, on proper assets and then light added as fluff. Textures cost no FPS (but certain vendor love to skimp on vRAM), reflections cost a lot. We got it backwards, but then again, shiny sells better. Same as loud music sells better than properly mastered.
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RT is dynamic, but the denoising routines are relatively static and only have the current data plus whatever instructions have been given to it. The AI model is trained on a ton of varied data and uses that to make a decision on a case-by-case basis, which makes it more dynamic.What do you mean by static? Game engine with RT renders things dynamically not statically. AI has nothing to do with dynamism. And yes, it masks (and not fixes) the problem with current GPUs just being still magnitudes too slow for what Nvidia is pushing gaming market to implement. Which is why you need denoising in the first place, as noise is the effect of very small number of rays actually being calculated. All else is approximation of approximation really, including AI layer on top of that.
That said, I didn't say it's bad, it's instead necessary. But one should realise it's all just approximations and hallucinations and not what actually would be there if it all was properly calculated. We will never get actually photorealistic images this way, before GPUs become magnitudes faster than they are now. None of which influences how fun games are (or aren't) to play, though.
As with a lot of things in the current game development landscape, things could do with some optimising, but it's easier to studios to push out rushed games and use upscaling, etc. to make it playable. I'm sure RT in general could be optimised.
