Doctor Who

Antar Bolaeisk said:
Well there was an evil Doctor created as a result of the 13th regeneration.
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Didnt they say he ( The Valyard ) was from somewhere between his twelfth and final incarnation

I too think it was implied that River killed the Doc sometime in the future but i just think its too obvious really.

Now my theroy is we keep seeing a future 11th Doc popping back, what for i dont know. Remember in the 1st episode the shadow running past the window well i think its the dr from the future coming back for some reason, landing the tardis silently like river showed him.

In Episode 2, amy had recorded the message saying get the docotr off the ship, this wasnt really explained.

In the last episode, after the angels had taken the doctors jacket, he mysteriously had it back on when he was telling amy to remember what he told her when she was 7. And it was a darker colour.

Dunno, but im enjoying it so far.

I think Matt is brilliant as the doctor, ive taken to him much more quickly than i di to tennant. I also think that amy is brilliant as well.
 
Amp34 said:
It did at the end, 2010, although that was obvious even without it being explicitly shown.

Perhaps Amy is so special in some way that she will (be) sacrificed to the crack in the last episode?
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Matt and Karen are both confirmed by the Beeb for series 6
 
MeatLoaf said:
In the last episode, after the angels had taken the doctors jacket, he mysteriously had it back on when he was telling amy to remember what he told her when she was 7. And it was a darker colour.
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When I saw that I thought that was wierd straight away, he'd already said bye and then suddenly appeared again (didn't notice the jacket) so i can see him not being the "same" doctor as the one just before.

MeatLoaf said:
Matt and Karen are both confirmed by the Beeb for series 6
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Cool, was wondering that. :)
 
The fact that the camera focused on the doctor when river talked about the man she killed still doesn't mean its the doctor, that could very easily be intentional diversion on the part of the makers, its a common tactic in tv/film. Things like lost and heroes are riddled with it.
 
MeatLoaf said:
Didnt they say he ( The Valyard ) was from somewhere between his twelfth and final incarnation

I too think it was implied that River killed the Doc sometime in the future but i just think its too obvious really.

Now my theroy is we keep seeing a future 11th Doc popping back, what for i dont know. Remember in the 1st episode the shadow running past the window well i think its the dr from the future coming back for some reason, landing the tardis silently like river showed him.

It seems a bit far fetched tbh
In Episode 2, amy had recorded the message saying get the docotr off the ship, this wasnt really explained.
That message was recorded before she chose to forget, it was explained in the climax by the doctor. She recorded it as she knew that if they stayed the Doctor would have to make the choice between the whale and the population of Britain, a terrible choice


In the last episode, after the angels had taken the doctors jacket, he mysteriously had it back on when he was telling amy to remember what he told her when she was 7. And it was a darker colour.
A simple editing slip up as it probably used multiple takes shot on different days, this sort of thing happens all of the time in shows with costumes (Star Trek being the best example with the rank insignia being inconsistent)

Dunno, but im enjoying it so far.

I think Matt is brilliant as the doctor, ive taken to him much more quickly than i di to tennant. I also think that amy is brilliant as well.
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Enoying it so far, shame that Moffat is only writing 6 episodes, although that is like half the season. As we've already had 4 Moffat ones i guess we won't be seeing any of his stories again until the inevitably 2 part finale.
 
the thing that backs up the idea of that being a future doctor who visits amy is that...

1)different colour jacket, definitly different jacket than the one the doctor had in the episode. checked over it a bunch of times. its green, where as the other is a beige colour.

2)his demeaner is completely different, much more solemn, and seemed to be more connected to amy, the kiss on the forehead and the foreheads together. just seemed different.

3)at the end, she asks him 'what you thinking?', he replied 'time can be rewritten'. throughout the episode he's thinking about time constantly, with the hand motions of reversing time.

i personally think during the pandorica he's going (gone, as this would be the original event, which river song has experienced) to leave and jump through moments to change events so that it effects outcome of the pandorica. rough idea, but i think its something akin to that.

river song - not a time lord, but something big, not human, humanoid, stands outside of time, maybe a demi-god of some sort, a race somewhat like the time lords, but i dont believe have the ability to travel through time such as a tardis, but more live it. pandorica being 2010, byzantium being 57th century and the library being the 51st century (river's death). so she's travelling... whether this is by case of the doctor later on taking her through journeys and dropping her off. but i doubt this as she kind of implies she's older than the doctor with the 'maybe when your older' line after she saves Amy.

[editing - maybe river song is the pandorica, or part of a race that is named the pandorica and as a result of the event they are brought to life, however she is the only one to survive? giving her a very close connection to the doctor]

also, loved the episode. filled with time travelling connundrums to think about. its what i love in tv shows, puzzles!
 
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shipinabottle said:
river song - not a time lord, but something big, not human, humanoid, stands outside of time, maybe a demi-god of some sort, a race somewhat like the time lords, but i dont believe have the ability to travel through time such as a tardis, but more live it. pandorica being 2010, byzantium being 57th century and the library being the 51st century (river's death). so she's travelling... whether this is by case of the doctor later on taking her through journeys and dropping her off. but i doubt this as she kind of implies she's older than the doctor with the 'maybe when your older' line after she saves Amy.

[editing - maybe river song is the pandorica, or part of a race that is named the pandorica and as a result of the event they are brought to life, however she is the only one to survive? giving her a very close connection to the doctor]
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I thought byzantium was also 51st century?

Does this mean that you no longer think she is his mother? :)
 
Tombstone said:
I thought byzantium was also 51st century?

Does this mean that you no longer think she is his mother? :)
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i never thought she was his mother, the mother is the woman who defied the the galafrey council in the end of time by standing against undoing the timelock. the same woman who visited wilfred in the church on on his tv set in the final of tennants last episode.

river song is the doctors wife or as close as he'll ever come to a romantic relationship of a sorts. and now tardis wiki is giving me a different time. bugger sticks :P that ruins that slightly, though she is going to be in the pandorica (2010) and has already experienced it to whichever event that is. so shes definitly outside of normal time and has been travelling to an extent.

plus the line of 'thats just a fantasty' and she replied 'aren't we all' could mean shes referring to the race of pandorica, or maybe to both her and the doctor being the last of thier races in that they the time lords and herself are almost fantasy now such is the rarity being that they are 1 of a kind. could also just be a slight nod the audience in that the show is a fantasy (but id rather look within the show, moffat is very specific with his use of words)
 
I think the pandoraca being in 2010 is misleading. It seems clear to me that, whilst it is physically located in 2010 it has effects throughout time. Most probably adding the cybermen, daleks, sontaren etc back in to the time line. I'm guessing the Doctor travels around time trying to clean things up a bit and, in doing so, visits river again (at a time before their last meeting).
 
fini said:
I think the pandoraca being in 2010 is misleading. It seems clear to me that, whilst it is physically located in 2010 it has effects throughout time. Most probably adding the cybermen, daleks, sontaren etc back in to the time line. I'm guessing the Doctor travels around time trying to clean things up a bit and, in doing so, visits river again (at a time before their last meeting).
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we know that already. he said in last nights episode that the initial bang is 26/06/2010, that this is the time where the crack originates from and that this bang is causing these cracks across time that are rewriting time as we know it.

now what the pandorica is... we dont know, could be a race, a person, an event that unleashes something (maybe the timeshield/crack), perhaps even pandoras box.

whilst maybe the crack and the pandorica are linked to a similar event, we dont know if they are the same thing. because if as prisoner 6 said, the pandorica 'WILL' open... thats talking future tense, where as if the crack was the pandorica he would say the pandorica 'IS' open, as he came through the crack in time.

if that makes sense... :p
 
It's all timey wimey though isn't it.

The pandorica is a dark box from which the cyber men, daleks etc are unleashed (if the rumours are to be believed). It would seem that they have been edited from history - why is a harder question to answer. Certainly this would seem to be a net 'good' for humanity. Perhaps the pandorica is of the Doctor's own doing - a small box that can hold whole time events definitely sounds like timelord tech.
 
One thing is interesting.
The doctor has stated, as Matt and as Tennant before him that he cannot travel back within his own timeline, meaning he can't be in the same place twice.
Yet it would appear this is exactly what he has been seen to be doing, reappearing where the cracks in the wall are, probably to fix the pandoricum.
Now last night he uttered a sentence of revelation, 'Time can be rewritten' as if he had never considered this option.
I assume to fix the pandoricum, he does just that.
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
One thing is interesting.
The doctor has stated, as Matt and as Tennant before him that he cannot travel back within his own timeline, meaning he can't be in the same place twice.
Yet it would appear this is exactly what he has been seen to be doing, reappearing where the cracks in the wall are, probably to fix the pandoricum.
Now last night he uttered a sentence of revelation, 'Time can be rewritten' as if he had never considered this option.
I assume to fix the pandoricum, he does just that.
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Indeed he can travel back within his own timeline, The Eccleston episode Fathers Day has two sets of him and Rose there at once at one point when they're witnessing the death of Roses dad.

It's just a very bad idea, as with that episode and paradoxes causing the appearance of the Reapers.
 
Eccleston...

I'm still amazed that some folks think he was better than Tennant. He looks like the type of chap who'd use his head to save people by nuttin' the culprits.
 
i think ecclestone had his moments, tennant (by help through scripts from moffat and davies progression) improved the role, the longer it went tennant got better. kind of difficult to judge CE too much when he had one season on a reboot.

personally ive adjusted to Matt Smith much quicker than DT, i think he got it spot on, the first episode he spent finding out his character, and then boom! the roof scene, thats matt smiths doctor. it was very impressive.

Matt Smith brings all the bits i love about tennant with youth vitality and a somewhat deeper geekier look at the events, he seems to constantly be thinking about situations, discussing them with himself outloud, i like this trait, its something i personally do, word out situations helps me think around problems. being excentric and somewhat mad is something that should definitly encapsulate the doctor, the line 'i am definitly a mad man with a box' sums it up superbly
 
Actually that reminds me of a bit in the last episode where the Bishop asks River if she trusts The Dr. and that he isn't a madman. She looks shifty for a few seconds and says she trusts him. :D
 
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