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Poll: Does David Moyes need to go? **Spoilers**
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As a publically traded company they HAVE to announce anything that could affect the share price to the Stock Exchange first. No announcement and it's not happening. I thought he would stay until the end of the season and if they don't get CL football he'd be gone under some sort,of performance clause.
That's only once a formal decision has been made. Regardless I'd be shocked if Utd did sack him...I'd also be upset wanted him to stay on for 10+ years
Nice to see this thread open again.
As I said in the Champions League thread yesterday:
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Even the people backing Moyes have run out of things to say now.
Yes, it's not entirely his fault, but, he:
There are plenty of very, very good players out there that we can attract without being in the Champions League, be that by club stature, money, or both. They aren't going to be the very best but you can still do well with smart signings that don't cost the earth.
As for Moyes, I can't see many players really wanting to play for him, especially good ones. The current squad aren't doing him any favours but they don't seem to care. Unfortunately the buck has to stop with the manager, even if the players have the wrong attitude, you can't throw out an entire squad... And maybe the players are right, perhaps they think he's a joke.
On the bright side, Moyes has massively lowered expectations, we're going into every game expecting to lose at the moment - you can't get much lower. So that'll make it easier for whoever replaces him.
At any other top club, he'd be long, long gone by now.
As I said in the Champions League thread yesterday:
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Even the people backing Moyes have run out of things to say now.
Yes, it's not entirely his fault, but, he:
- Is being given a role almost bigger than the club to try and build a whole new high quality team, and our future
- Has no credentials that say he's capable of doing the above
- Seems tactically very poor
- Picks the wrong team time after time
- Has quite possibly lost the dressing room
- Seems completely delusional at times
- Is a bit of an annoying ****
There are plenty of very, very good players out there that we can attract without being in the Champions League, be that by club stature, money, or both. They aren't going to be the very best but you can still do well with smart signings that don't cost the earth.
As for Moyes, I can't see many players really wanting to play for him, especially good ones. The current squad aren't doing him any favours but they don't seem to care. Unfortunately the buck has to stop with the manager, even if the players have the wrong attitude, you can't throw out an entire squad... And maybe the players are right, perhaps they think he's a joke.
On the bright side, Moyes has massively lowered expectations, we're going into every game expecting to lose at the moment - you can't get much lower.
So that'll make it easier for whoever replaces him.At any other top club, he'd be long, long gone by now.
He will if they take Martinez, which I expect them to do.
It's impossible to say with anything other than guesswork because we don't know if and who he would have bought.
If the squad was the same then I don't think they would have finished in the top 4. The back four is a wash up, the midfield is pathetically weak. Yes Fergie had an aura but City finally got rid of Mancini who was clearly making hard work of it, Chelsea bough back Jose and Arsenal and Liverpool are playing football far better than last year. While all United have done is got older and slower.
Plus had Fergie stayed I doubt the best player would even be there now.
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Its obvious that united are a one man team because last season rvp wasnt injured that much and banging in goals for fun yet fast forward to today and RVP has been crocked half the season and missing sitters.
RVP single handedly won the title for united!
Mata is arguably the only decent one (at the moment) out of the three midfielders you've mentioned.
To be fair to Man U they have been unlucky with the injuries they've had to Rooney and Van Persie this season. Having said that Liverpool were without Suarez at the start of the season and Sturridge for a while. Arsenal have been without Walcott pretty much all season and Giroud has had his niggles. Man City have had Aguero out a lot but like Chelsea they have good depth for cover unlike Liverpool and Arsenal. I don't think Hernandez and Welbeck cut it as 'good depth'.
That game last night though. Sweet Jesus. Pass it down the wing and hoof it into the box. That seems to be their tactic this season. Too predictable.
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The thing with united is that they appear to be a one man team.
Last season and this season it is clear. Stats wise united defence are doing no worse then this time last season but the problem is that united are not scoring the goals because RVP has been croked half of this season and he is missing sitters.
Last season he was banging in goals with his eyes closed using his right foot and played the majority of the season.
Moyes failed to address these issues but to be perfectly honest, you can buy the best CB pairing in the world and the best Midfielder pairing in the world and they would still need time to gel.
IMO the bucket stops with fergie. He left that squad ina joke of a mess. Instead of getting some decent CB's and midfielders before RVP came in, united would have been in a better position today.
Its fergie thats screwed up United not Moyes.
Whoever comes in needs to do a "spurs" and buy like 5-6 new players for that team and those players need time to gel(look at spurs).
Seriously start blaming Fergie and not Moyes because he is the one that truely messed up united IMI
Last season and this season it is clear. Stats wise united defence are doing no worse then this time last season but the problem is that united are not scoring the goals because RVP has been croked half of this season and he is missing sitters.
Last season he was banging in goals with his eyes closed using his right foot and played the majority of the season.
Moyes failed to address these issues but to be perfectly honest, you can buy the best CB pairing in the world and the best Midfielder pairing in the world and they would still need time to gel.
IMO the bucket stops with fergie. He left that squad ina joke of a mess. Instead of getting some decent CB's and midfielders before RVP came in, united would have been in a better position today.
Its fergie thats screwed up United not Moyes.
Whoever comes in needs to do a "spurs" and buy like 5-6 new players for that team and those players need time to gel(look at spurs).
Seriously start blaming Fergie and not Moyes because he is the one that truely messed up united IMI
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In mentioning RVP people keep forgetting to mention that he was scoring early in the season, wasn't injured for that long and Moyes both rushed him back AND then played him beyond(it was implied) what his medical staff told him he should.... and then he lost him for a bunch more games which was ultimately entirely Moyes fault. It's even worse when keeping him on didn't prevent them losing the game and there was no particular sign they were going to get back into the game had they kept him on.
RVP should never have started that game let alone finished it and with a fitter player and a different team maybe the result would have been different.
Moyes is stumbling from one moronic mistake to the next, attempting to buy Fabregas.... then buying Fellaini, ignoring Zaha completely, then from one crap performance to the next, another transfer window and still no central midfielders. Not Anderson's biggest fan by any stretch of the imagination but shipping out a central mid and a winger, and bringing one overpriced playmaker.... then playing him out of his best position.
RVP should never have started that game let alone finished it and with a fitter player and a different team maybe the result would have been different.
Moyes is stumbling from one moronic mistake to the next, attempting to buy Fabregas.... then buying Fellaini, ignoring Zaha completely, then from one crap performance to the next, another transfer window and still no central midfielders. Not Anderson's biggest fan by any stretch of the imagination but shipping out a central mid and a winger, and bringing one overpriced playmaker.... then playing him out of his best position.
That doesn't stop them being washed up and slow. Moyes Everton scored more goals than Martinez for the same stage of the season. That doesn't make them more attacking.
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I'm not picking on you here, because MANY Utd fans(and others) have banged on about RVP being out of form, couldn't miss last year, missing sitters this year.
RVP has 11 goals in 53 shots so far in the league this year, that is about 1 in 4.8 shots, he had 26 in 141 last year, that is around 1 in 5.3 shots. He's MORE clinical this year... he's had FAR less shots..... this immediately and conclusively points to delivery. In his "dry" spell last year, delivery dried up, so did the goals. Factoring in games played in the league obviously brings his shots per game total this year but it's still some way shy of last year.
For all those people banging on and on about great strikers, never missing and Suarez being the bestest striker in the world, last year Suarez hit 1 in every 8.3 shots in the league. This year it's 1 in every 5.3(similar to last year) and Suarez hasn't scored in his last 31 shots.
Players, the best and the worst go through dry spells. At no stage have any of the best strikers in the world not missed sitters(and all manor of other shots) all throughout every season of their careers. I wasn't using those stats to have a go at Suarez, or RVP, they've both been good both years.
Sturridge has a disgusting 18 goals in 67 shots this year, just over 1 in 3.7, last year it was 10 in 61 or 1 in 6 shots.
When the number of shots goes down massively, but shots to goals ratio improves....... I wouldn't lay the blame at the striker.
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The defence again isn't as bad as some are suggesting. When you consider they get no protection from the midfield at all and the full backs are basically wingers because our wingers are so **** then they actually do pretty well.
12 months ago UTD were matching Real Madrid in the Champions league and only lost after being reduced to 10 men. Before that they had held Real Madrid 1 - 1 away and were winning 1 - 0 on the night.
if they have played Madrid last night it would have been a cricket score
if they have played Madrid last night it would have been a cricket score
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where do you get your stats from?
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