Poll: Does David Moyes need to go? **Spoilers**

MoyesIN or MoyesOUT?

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jonneymendoza said:
Give him till end of the season at least! they may turn fortunes. You just never know and as stated in the other moyes out thread(why do we have two threads about the same damm topic?) Its ****ing hilarious seeking all these fickle fans wanting moyes out and wanting there opponents to smash them week in week out!
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Don't you do the same thing with Wenger?
 
jonneymendoza said:
Give him till end of the season at least! they may turn fortunes. You just never know and as stated in the other moyes out thread(why do we have two threads about the same damm topic?) Its ****ing hilarious seeking all these fickle fans wanting moyes out and wanting there opponents to smash them week in week out!
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HAHAHAHHAHAH :D
 
Raymond Lin said:
The thing that worries me is that the players doesn't seem to have heart. It's like they either don't believe in him or don't want to play for him. Which is weird since I don't think you can say that about his side at Everton.
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Thats the thing though - Everton as a club , and majority of the players had won very little.

Nearly every Man Utd player has won the league at least once and a couple of other major trophies.

Im not saying its right - but its a fact of life.

(when a group / whole team of players have won (much) more than the manager, its never going to be easy for said manager)

jonneymendoza said:
Case point arsenal vs united a few weeks ago, many of the so called United fans where wishing Arsenal spanked your club.
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Think thats dubious to start with

one or two (certainly not "many") may have said that and Gimp quickly corrected if I recall correctly, a lot may have thought Arsenal may have smashed Utd as Liverpool smacshed them , but there was no "wishing" by most true fans of the club.

Robbo said:
And last season we finished 11 points ahead of anyone else, with this exact same squad (which has had £80m+ worth of players added to it)...
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MF and Mata = £65m~ (£27 & £37m respectively), I cant think of anyone else apart from a couple of VERY cheap U21 full backs, and Mata came in after Utd were in 7th place already so not really a fair comparision

That "extra" £15m would have bought a decent player lol

lucarocks92 said:
It was a massive gamble but the simple fact is he wouldn't be United manager if he wasn't born in Scotland and was best friends with Fergie. Fergie picked him on favouritism and it has backfired now.
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Gigantic over-simplification if you ask me. Raymond's point above / my reply certainly didnt help. Players attitude hasnt helped in a lot of games. Fergie had the fear factor so very few ever stepped out of line before now, and when they did it was on an individual basis. a lot of the senior squad are doing it /have done it this season en masse which no manager could handle (as Ive stated before its nigh on impossible to punish these players, a number of which are at the very end of theri contracts anyway and a few weeks wages arent going to mean squat to them )
 
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FrankJH said:
MF and Mata = £65m~ (£27 & £37m respectively), I cant think of anyone else apart from a couple of VERY cheap U21 full backs, and Mata came in after Utd were in 7th place already so not really a fair comparision

That "extra" £15m would have bought a decent player lol
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Like Zaha? :p

I know he's not a Moyes signing but he wasn't in the squad last season, so is technically still an addition. An addition that never got a chance!
 
Robbo said:
Like Zaha? :p

I know he's not a Moyes signing but he wasn't in the squad last season, so is technically still an addition. An addition that never got a chance!
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aahh sorry - that £15m was spent last winter though, which is why he didnt occur to me. :)

One good game for Cardiff, and then 2nd game was a little meh, not convinced he would have done much for Utd anyway (never thought SAF should have got him in the 1st place)
 
drunkenmaster said:
There aren't many english players at the top of the game, nor managers, because british/english people have a attitude problem. When the rest of the world changes, we don't, because we invented the sport so we know best. It's ignorance and english football is falling behind at a pace that is gathering momentum. It was just Spain, then it was Germany, now it's Belgium and half the countries in between. They've all modernised both training of players and coaches/managers. England refuses point blank to do so and as such we'll suffer a lack of managers except those who get trained, unsurprisingly, by foreign managers/coaches.

No surprise with Rodgers as he has had a huge influence from coaching under other foreign managers and frankly from taking over a team that was already managed by someone who was teaching passing attacking football. It's very hard to take over a Stoke or Sheffield Utd with the players they would have had and ask them to play passing football. In general you're kind of stuck playing whatever works best for the team, it's lucky he could take over teams capable of playing the "right" way and not getting stuck in a rut of crap football.

Really the simple part is, coaching, as with teaching it's a numbers game. No surprise that in education classes that are say 5 or 10 to 1 teacher do better than classes that are 20 or 30 to 1 teacher. No different to coaching. Spain has more coaches. It was 3 years ago now but Spain had 24k coaches at Uefa b/a/pro level of training, England had under 2800. Now work out how many kids are being taught by top coaches in England vs Spain?

There is SO much wrong with the way England tries to teach it's kids football..... not surprisingly this leads to less great english players and English managers/coaches are largely behind this.

Every single premiership club could offer free training for coaches at grass roots teams and pay what is literally, or say ask 500 people to sign up for it every year. Pay for them to become coaches and assign them to youth teams to get more people involve with proper training at every level.

England just won't do it properly, and they won't accept they are doing it wrong, it's embarrassing. WE need English managers to both go and do their coaching badges abroad(very very few do, again attitude), try and get jobs under better managers, and attempt to get jobs at foreign teams.

A guy who is assistant manager under Pardew or Redknapp, or players who pick up management from the managers they had in their careers, aren't going to turn into the best managers themselves.
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DM - Have you ever done FA coaching? I find it hilarious you talk about bad attitude..

FrankJH said:
aahh sorry - that £15m was spent last winter though, which is why he didnt occur to me. :)

One good game for Cardiff, and then 2nd game was a little meh, not convinced he would have done much for Utd anyway (never thought SAF should have got him in the 1st place)
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He's only 19, give him a chance like..He'll come good, he was good at CP.
 
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Robbo said:
Like Zaha? :p

I know he's not a Moyes signing but he wasn't in the squad last season, so is technically still an addition. An addition that never got a chance!
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Come on we know why he didn't get a chance, if the thick **** was stupid enough to bone the managers daughter and brag about it then the retarded **** is exactly where he should be. They hung on to young for years despite him being pap, they wouldn't have shipped Zaha out so fast a Fergie signing without being properly tested if he didn't do what the rumours suggest.

_Jimlad_ said:
Should have kept mike phealen ... He would have done a better job.
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Because Fergie ex coaches and assistants have a long pedigree of being top notch managers. Oh wait...
 
Newbie007 said:
He was average at CP, he had one good game which was the playoff, apart from that other young wingers out performed him regularly
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What are you talking about? He was young player of the year and CP young player of year. LIke..eh?... Where do you watch football mate?
 
dannyjo22 said:
Because Fergie ex coaches and assistants have a long pedigree of being top notch managers. Oh wait...
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He shouldn't have been in charge, but Moyes shouldn't have shook the entire backroom staff up on taking over. Keeping one of Meulensteen/Phelan/keeper-coach-whose-name-i-cant-remember would have at least been a bit of a bridge.

Who needs title winning coaches when you have Phil Neville and Steve Round though?
 
why though? Moyes wanted to bring 3 people with him..not bad considering he was taking over one of the biggest footballing dynasties..
 
dannyjo22 said:
Come on we know why he didn't get a chance, if the thick **** was stupid enough to bone the managers daughter and brag about it then the retarded **** is exactly where he should be. They hung on to young for years despite him being pap, they wouldn't have shipped Zaha out so fast a Fergie signing without being properly tested if he didn't do what the rumours suggest.
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Maybe he is a lazy so and so, but I'm not sure I believe those rumours. They started as a Twitter joke. :p

Moyes clearly rates Young, he starts in all the important matches. :/
 
Robbo said:
Maybe he is a lazy so and so, but I'm not sure I believe those rumours. They started as a Twitter joke. :p

Moyes clearly rates Young, he starts in all the important matches. :/
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It's not about rating him really,Young needs to be given a chance under Moyes..it's just respect to your previous manager..you can't tear everyone out of the club straight away. Time is your friend with something like this, unfortunately it's like hitting your head against a brick wall chatting to some of you united fans. It's such a huge transition. It's not like it's the taking over of RM or PSG as well, the PL is the highest level of football with the biggest competition in every nook and cranny..its extremely hard
 
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