Poll: Does David Moyes need to go? **Spoilers**

[The Running Man]

Our wingers, valencia and young have lost their cutting edge. They have grown old and wary of taking a player or two on after injury or loss of pace. Younger players who don't have the same fear make them look like too conservative.

Oh and valencia can't cross.

 

[Purdy]

And? who should he have brought with him?

No one, the staff there was evidently good, if you want to bring your own people don't **** everyone else off out of the way when they've been very successful....

 

[FrankJH]

lol..well theres more chance of it equating than if he was rubbish at CP

infinitely small chance maybe

Even so he was a moderately good player at best, not the kind of player Utd should be buying

No one, the staff there was evidently good, if you want to bring your own people don't **** everyone else off out of the way when they've been very successful....

Majority of SAFs staff where given the chance of staying and didnt want to. What's Moyes meant to do be held over a barrel by what amounts to being HIS staff from then on rather than people he had worked with for years?

If people want to say the same playing squad was held together by the genius of SAF, the same could be said of the staff under SAF too, and they arent as good as they wanted to believe (like Rene for instance, as proven at Fulham)

 

[Robbo]

It's not about rating him really,Young needs to be given a chance under Moyes..it's just respect to your previous manager..you can't tear everyone out of the club straight away. Time is your friend with something like this, unfortunately it's like hitting your head against a brick wall chatting to some of you united fans. It's such a huge transition. It's not like it's the taking over of RM or PSG as well, the PL is the highest level of football with the biggest competition in every nook and cranny..its extremely hard

I know it's a huge transition and I fully understand it, but lots of matches and seeing him all the time in training should give Moyes an idea of how good he is. Pretty simple really.

You can't just say "it's a big deal so shut up and put up with it" - not going to happen, and rightly so.

 

[Trusty]

I know it's a huge transition and I fully understand it, but lots of matches and seeing him all the time in training should give Moyes an idea of how good he is. Pretty simple really.

You can't just say "it's a big deal so shut up and put up with it" - not going to happen, and rightly so.

...your talking as if you've been behind Moyes at any stage. I'm just trying to make people realise. listen or not, it doesn't really matter..

 

[_Jimlad_]

Come on we know why he didn't get a chance, if the thick **** was stupid enough to bone the managers daughter and brag about it then the retarded **** is exactly where he should be. They hung on to young for years despite him being pap, they wouldn't have shipped Zaha out so fast a Fergie signing without being properly tested if he didn't do what the rumours suggest.



Because Fergie ex coaches and assistants have a long pedigree of being top notch managers. Oh wait...

like that has any relevance ?

should I not get a new girlfriend from London because the last two were bad? seriously your posts are laughable at best

 

[Robbo]

...your talking as if you've been behind Moyes at any stage. I'm just trying to make people realise. listen or not, it doesn't really matter..

I was well and truly behind him for quite a while, and was even looking forward to seeing what he could do when he got appointed.

The old "he needs time" line doesn't always fly, especially when the team are progressively getting worse.

 

[dannyjo22]

like that has any relevance ?

should I not get a new girlfriend from London because the last two were bad? seriously your posts are laughable at best

You can always tell when people are on their period.

Yes having a girlfriend is EXACTLY the same as having a coach that's worked alongside the greatest manager of all time. Were these girlfriends you claim to have had all coached by the same family/mother on how to be a good girlfriend. No unless you are dating sisters. Your analogy is crap. The baseline isn't the same.

Where as every single one of the failed assistants Fergie has worked under him for multiple years and was highly rated as an assistant or coach. They all had chance to work with the master and none of them amounted to anything. I think that's a fairly good indication that standing alongside the best isn't an indication you are ready to do it alone. The pressures are completely different.

Before you call anyone else's posts laughable it's probably wise for you to look a little closer to home and I'm not just talking about for a girlfriend.

 

[Trusty]

I was well and truly behind him for quite a while, and was even looking forward to seeing what he could do when he got appointed.

The old "he needs time" line doesn't always fly, especially when the team are progressively getting worse.

alright, lets transpose this then. what work do you do? imagine being asked to take the biggest job in that industry and asked to re-structure/organise everything the way you want it. Would you not ask for more than 7 months? cmon now fella..don't be a fool

 

[Robbo]

alright, lets transpose this then. what work do you do? imagine being asked to take the biggest job in that industry and asked to re-structure/organise everything the way you want it. Would you not ask for than 7 months? cmon now fella..don't be a fool

I'd have been fired after a month at best, as would pretty much anyone failing in such a position.

If you get a job with that kind of power and that kind of pay, you don't get long to get it right.

 

[Purdy]

Majority of SAFs staff where given the chance of staying and didnt want to. What's Moyes meant to do be held over a barrel by what amounts to being HIS staff from then on rather than people he had worked with for years?

If people want to say the same playing squad was held together by the genius of SAF, the same could be said of the staff under SAF too, and they arent as good as they wanted to believe (like Rene for instance, as proven at Fulham)

Who came out and said that? (Honestly don't know as I just read he replaced them all)

Being a member of staff and being the manager is a completely different thing as proven by pretty much everyone who has worked under him who have gone on to be managers. Also you can't really judge Rene harshly on his time at Fulham can you?

Anyways I don't know how fantastic the staff were but they had done what was required to win the league countless times

Oh and I wouldn't say they were held together by the genius of ferguson, but he could have fielded me, Baz and Pigeon and probably beaten some of the crap teams that turned up at Old Trafford just due to the fear they played with, god knows how many times Liverpool have gone there and been a pile of crap. (Unless teams being scared of you is genius or just their own stupidity.)
Without ferguson I don't expect the team to win the title, there are less 'free' wins, but I expect them to do a whole of a lot better than they have done and a lot of it is down to the players also, although it is Moyes job to get them not to be nobs putting no effort in. Moyes isn't terrible, but he doesn't suit taking over a big club, let alone one with expectations as big as united

I think ferguson has left the club in a pretty **** position and he doesn't really care/it makes him look better.

 

[Trusty]

I'd have been fired after a month at best, as would pretty much anyone failing in such a position.

If you get a job with that kind of power and that kind of pay, you don't get long to get it right.

whatever you say boss..

 

[Robbo]

whatever you say boss..

I've also sent the club an email with my Football Manager screenshots attached, and put myself forward as Moyes's replacement.

 

[Trusty]

I've also sent the club an email with my Football Manager screenshots attached, and put myself forward as Moyes's replacement.

 

[Purdy]

whatever you say boss..

Because huge companies who replace their MDs or whatever have directors going 'its okay, you can be ****e for 12 months until you get to put your beliefs into the job'

So far all they can see is absolutely dire unattractive football, players regressing, excuses that it isn't his fault (bar against Olympiakos) and the inability to identify where needs strengthened in transfer market.

 

[Trusty]

Because huge companies who replace their MDs or whatever have directors going 'its okay, you can be ****e for 12 months until you get to put your beliefs into the job'

So far all they can see is absolutely dire unattractive football, players regressing, excuses that it isn't his fault (bar against Olympiakos) and the inability to identify where needs strengthened in transfer market.

Lol.you can only impose your vision twice a year with the transfer market., it's not like it's his team. Rio/Vidic/Evra are all the other side of 30 and don't care as their proper father has retired.

It's the players on the pitch that count...

 

[Purdy]

Maybe Rio doesn't try the camel faced spanner but the other two do, Vidic and Evra don't look lazy, they're both just kind of bad now (Vidic has been injured how often as well? and Evra has looked crap for a couple of years).

He has bought a massive elbowing afro who is not really the type of player they need in midfield and then bought Mata who I guess you can't refuse if he is for sale but also does not really address their issues.

It really isn't just the players on the pitch that count, that is an absolutely retarded view point to have.

 

[Trusty]

Yes and he has bought a massive elbowing afro who is not really the type of player they need in midfield and then bought Mata who I guess you can't refuse if he is for sale but also does not really address their issues.

Afro dude, sure..6/7 mil too expensive. Pay off i suppose, extra gratitude from Utd to eveton, who knows. Mata, i would'nt have bought him personally, he'll be a good signing though, but, it's the fans probably that made united panic buy.

It really isn't just the players on the pitch that count, that is an absolutely retarded view point to have.

Nah mate, its not retarded. Look at Chelsea under Di Matteo. It was Drogba and co's year to shine. Its the players! The manger can give you a foot up but you've got do the figuring out and hard work.

 

[fez]

Lol.you can only impose your vision twice a year with the transfer market., it's not like it's his team. Rio/Vidic/Evra are all the other side of 30 and don't care as their proper father has retired.

It's the players on the pitch that count...

He brought in his guy to handle transfers and look what happened. If it was all the players on the pitch that count we wouldn't ever see managers getting sacked.

Moyes is tactically inept and has made a mess of every facet of managing Man Utd so far. Nothing he has done has given anyone even the smallest indication that he is taking the club anything but down.

I couldn't care less who he buys in the summer because like Mancini, he is not good enough to take us to the top of the game. He can probably get us champions league football in a few years, perhaps even next year but he will never be able to take us to a title winning side and one that can compete with the top teams in Europe.

If all we want is to be Arsenal then I'm sure he will be able to manage that. I expect more from a long term manager.

 

[The Running Man]

Lol.you can only impose your vision twice a year with the transfer market., it's not like it's his team. Rio/Vidic/Evra are all the other side of 30 and don't care as their proper father has retired.

It's the players on the pitch that count...

The vision he can display is his tactical selection, the style of play.

Watch Utd then watch Everton play...don't necessarily need to make wholesale personnel changes to change the teams style ..

I asked during his appointment phase, what is his teams style? How do they play? How do the express themselves. Everyone said he was limited by his squad m I say wrong answer.