Poll: Does David Moyes need to go? **Spoilers**

MoyesIN or MoyesOUT?


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the players don't want to play for moyes well then the manager should come down hard on them.

the **** hasn't even hit the fan yet.
come the summer, utd are going to lose a few more players than they think, and with no talent coming the other way without that c-league football.
 
Putting my own opinion aside, I honestly think we'll be stuck with him until at least the end of next season, no matter the result.

I think the board and so desperate to not seem like City/Chelsea that they'll keep with him until then.
 
the players don't want to play for moyes well then the manager should come down hard on them.

the **** hasn't even hit the fan yet.
come the summer, utd are going to lose a few more players than they think, and with no talent coming the other way without that c-league football.

Well done for a complete guess.

Man City, PSG, Monaco not to mention a lot of others were all able to attract top quality players (and the latter two JUST from the money they were offering, the league itself is arguably worse than the EPL) without CL football.

Now maybe Utd dont have the owner's wealth of these three, but the income the club has will cover huge wages for any player(s) coming in (if the club offers these wages is another matter entirely)
 
The worse MU do under Moyes, the higher the wages the new wave of players will have to be paid upon their transfer. The longer Moyes stays the lower we'll be in the league table.

By the end of next season, our wage budget will be so painful and our league position so poor we could end up like Leeds.
 
I think the board and so desperate to not seem like City/Chelsea that they'll keep with him until then.

This is what I have been saying for a few months now. We are far too arrogant to admit that we have made a mistake and will stick with him for at least another 8 months or more and by that time the damage will be done.

Since Moyes has been appointed I have not seen a single, and I do mean just one reason why he is the man for the job.

He can't motivate the players.
His tactics and substitutions are poor.
His training methods have been criticised.
His old team are much more feared under their new manager.
We don't work as hard as we used to and we are outclassed in most games.
His attitude towards losing is appalling.
The staff he has brought with him are under-perfoming.
Without CL football we will struggle to attract players we want / what will Woodward and Moyes actually manage to do based on last summer.

Every other top team that has stuck with a manager when things are not going well has had a reason to. When Liverpool were not doing so well under Rogers they were at least playing good football on a regular basis. We have seen nothing positive at all this season.

Its like the big taboo in football at the moment. Don't say that Moyes needs to be sacked because we want to think that longevity in a managers role trumps skill and quality. We don't want another home manager to be found out as wanting when it comes to the big stage. Week after week on match of the day the pundits avoid even mentioning the idea that Moyes is a ****less idiot who should be sacked. Instead they talk about how it will take years till he makes the squad his own and does this and that.

When we lose to Olympiakos and finish mid table by the end of the year we will still be sitting there complaining about luck and how surprised he is about everything. The only thing that should still be surprising him is that he still has a job.
 
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hopefully the fans have now started to turn against him more vocally his chant wasn't sung once yesterday don't know how true it is but I've read rumours giggs doesn't think much of him anymore and doesn't attend the coaching meetings i'd kill for giggs in charge right now
 
Thing is, every time I go to criticise I remember that damn talk from SAF last year.

"Your job is to get behind the new manager."

:p
 
Thing is, every time I go to criticise I remember that damn talk from SAF last year.

"Your job is to get behind the new manager."

:p

He had to say that though, but even he wouldn't have anticipated this. The fans have been excellent and have backed Moyes to the hilt inside the ground, we can't have done anything more.

We're getting nothing in return, less than nothing.
 
Thing is, every time I go to criticise I remember that damn talk from SAF last year.

"Your job is to get behind the new manager."

:p

But there is only a certain amount you can take surely? As a not so impartial Liverpool supporter, I would be worried by the lack of any progress, they are still playing as bad as they were at the start of the season. He is still making the same mistakes.
 
The worse MU do under Moyes, the higher the wages the new wave of players will have to be paid upon their transfer. The longer Moyes stays the lower we'll be in the league table.

By the end of next season, our wage budget will be so painful and our league position so poor we could end up like Leeds.

Not at all - Utd will be saving £400k a week on Rio's, Vidic and Evra's wages before next season, before even considering the likes of Nani, Anderson etc are considered

Even before the general health of Utd's sponsorship being taken into consideration

This is what I have been saying for a few months now. We are far too arrogant to admit that we have made a mistake and will stick with him for at least another 8 months or more and by that time the damage will be done.


Its not to do with arrogance at all, its standing by choices made (rather than sacking somebody after a few months)

Since Moyes has been appointed I have not seen a single, and I do mean just one reason why he is the man for the job.


He can't motivate the players. You try motivating players that have literally won it all, were never signed by you and know they are leaving 4 months + before the end of the season (in the knowledge they arent going to win anything this season)His tactics and substitutions are poor.
His training methods have been criticised. By two coaches who have never been to the club, fed by a striker who openly feels betrayed by the last manager.
His old team are much more feared under their new manager. Built on a platform put together by Moyes with a very few additions who only became available after Moyes left (and still unlikely to finish in any significant higher position than they did under Moyes)
We don't work as hard as we used to and we are outclassed in most games. This is "motivation" worded differently
His attitude towards losing is appalling. It is, but only he knows the difference the players show between training and Sat / Sun afternoon etc (and maybe for the right reasons he is hiding his fury behind closed doors for the time being)
The staff he has brought with him are under-perfoming. As above really, a lot is behind closed doors (which is what it should be at this point imo)
Without CL football we will struggle to attract players we want / what will Woodward and Moyes actually manage to do based on last summer.
Of course the likes of Fabregas, Messi, etc etc are unobtainable, but then imo they would be to even Bayern. a lot of smaller clubs than Utd have attracted big players to their club to firstly CHASE CL qualification and Utd still have a good core of players in Rooney, Mata, Januzaj , DDG.

Every other top team that has stuck with a manager when things are not going well has had a reason to. When Liverpool were not doing so well under Rogers they were at least playing good football on a regular basis. We have seen nothing positive at all this season.

This is as much down to attitude of senior players as much as Moyes. The HUGE problem for Moyes is that due to injuries at different times there were no real options to bring from the bench (ie yesterday no Smalling or Evans available defensively, the black hole that Utd's central midfield has been for years. The most prolific striker at the club already on the field looking like he cant be *****. We have had good games albeit much earlier in the season and interspersed with a string of terrible performances.

Its like the big taboo in football at the moment. Don't say that Moyes needs to be sacked because we want to think that longevity in a managers role trumps skill and quality. We don't want another home manager to be found out as wanting when it comes to the big stage. Week after week on match of the day the pundits avoid even mentioning the idea that Moyes is a ****less idiot who should be sacked. Instead they talk about how it will take years till he makes the squad his own and does this and that.

Its not going to be overnight - but a lot of pundits have their own axes to grind as well so all these dramatic "10 year wait for another title" is pure guess work. Obviously it depends on who the club can attract and how long they take to adapt, but there is no reason to suggest right now why Utd cant challange again for CL spots this time next season and be title chasers in a couple more seasons.
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Not at all - Utd will be saving £400k a week on Rio's, Vidic and Evra's wages before next season, before even considering the likes of Nani, Anderson etc are considered

Even before the general health of Utd's sponsorship being taken into consideration

Hopefully we are putting aside a few pounds of that for Moyes payoff. There must be a chance that the reason we haven't sacked Moyes yet is due to a clause in his contract that allows us to sack him come the end of the season if we are doing badly enough.
 
lol, because new players don't get the same wages as players who have been at a club for 5 + years, we've had that discussion before. It's nonsense. Neymar is on more than Messi.

Messi is the best or at worst joint best player in Europe in the past decade, he was on more than anyone else at the club, he's been there around 14 years and a 20-21year old who has never played for them before is making more.

Every person of equal or higher quality will get as much or more than Rio, Vidic and Evra are on. The very fact that they are leaving at the end of contracts points out that their current wage is based on contracts signed 4-5 years ago, which are worth significantly less than anything they could get today.

Wages are going up fast, Rio/Vidic/Evra won't be replaced certainly with any significant saving, highly likely no saving at all and probably a greater chance of three replacements of first team calibre costing more in wages than those who leave.

If you buy three 20year old nobodies, sure they'll be cheaper but won't improve the team. In the "real" world a guy at 45yr old at the same work place and same job will make more than the 22yr old graduate, in football, the money grows every year, so does the base wage and you can't get great players cheap just because they are young. Hazard is on more than Lampard afaik it's about 150 vs 160k in Hazard's favour.

utd can afford more wages, and wages won't be a huge issue. but a 22-28yr old top notch CB will want more in wages than Vidic is currently on. The new incoming sponsorship will quickly be taken up by wage increases on people they'll buy.

However the wages aren't as related to how well a club did as people think. Hazard got 160k while Lampard is on 150k, because Lampard signed his last deal as a Chelsea player who wanted to stay at Chelsea. Hazard got a 160k because he wasn't a Chelsea player and could sign for whoever he wanted. Chelsea didn't have to compete with anyone on a new contract for Lampard, they had to compete with everyone to sign Hazard.

Utd need to sign new players around the entire team, the only need a few key signings to improve significantly and at least be slightly competitive with Chelsea/City/Pool, though a few great players and a few decent players would be more appropriate, but for UTd to get back to being competitive with Bayern/Barca, they need almost full scale squad changes. Improving Utd is easy, making them really great again is a monumental job and won't be cheap and I don't think they have the finances to do it. Wages, maybe but big names signing every year for a few years, I don't think Utd have the extra money for the transfers.
 
Thing is, every time I go to criticise I remember that damn talk from SAF last year.

"Your job is to get behind the new manager."

:p

Fergie probably realised he got it wrong by Christmas in terms of picking Moyes. But he's never going to come out and admit that.

I'm torn, a part of me wants us to get knocked out on Wednesday with a bad defeat at home, as surely that would be the nail in the coffin for Moyes. As if he goes through, that will probably be enough to keep him going for another few games. But obviously the bigger part of me, the fan, wants us to do a Chelsea and somehow win the Champions League, so we can salvage our season somehow
 
I definitely want us to go out, forget the whole it might get Moyes sacked part, can you imagine us going up against Bayern or Barca in this state? Better to go out now with a shred of dignity.
 
I definitely want us to go out, forget the whole it might get Moyes sacked part, can you imagine us going up against Bayern or Barca in this state? Better to go out now with a shred of dignity.

I have to admit, I was annoyed when we went out in the Capital One Cup, but in terms of the confidence of the players, I think going out at Wembley and getting utterly annihilated by City wouldn't have done anyone any good.
 
Utd have never gone out like Chelsea or City and bought 5 or 6 mega stars with 6 mega packages and I doubt they will start now.

Buy 1/2 that many and again about 3 young up and comers (Im not suggesting Shaw himself, but someone of that level who wouldnt even think about 100k a week to start with)

As for sponsorship - Utd are looking at ~£70m INCREASE per season in main sponsorships (even without the "smaller" deals) in the next 18 months. Even without the £20m or so for staying where we are in the EPL there is absolutely no chance at all that Utd will struggle for transfer funds or wages. (even forgettig the £100m or thereabouts thats currently in the bank)

I definitely want us to go out, forget the whole it might get Moyes sacked part, can you imagine us going up against Bayern or Barca in this state? Better to go out now with a shred of dignity.

Im not sure there is any left unfortunatley - but I heartily agree with the sentiment
 
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