Epic Games Store now open!

Omaeka said:
Wont happen, Rockstar have their own storefront and Epic doesn't have enough money to make that worthwhile. Oh and the fact it's never coming to PC doesn't bode well either :p
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Hopefully not but there is a rumor going that it might. As posted a some posts above this (or page 18 if on normal forum page mode)

SydDanube said:
Stoke the anti Epic fire a little...

Rumour - Red Dead Redemption 2 to be revealed as an Epic Games Store Exclusive on PC :eek:

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/so...aled_as_an_epic_games_store_exclusive_on_pc/1
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Omaeka said:
Wont happen, Rockstar have their own storefront and Epic doesn't have enough money to make that worthwhile. Oh and the fact it's never coming to PC doesn't bode well either :p
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Ubisoft has Uplay and it didn't stop them. Apparently buying on EGS basically gets you a Uplay key as they don't have the same system that steam has set up, so basically Ubisoft are getting payed to keep their game exclusive to Uplay with EGS being the only other place you can buy keys. I can see a RDR2 deal being the same.
 
Cosmic Schwung said:
Ubisoft has Uplay and it didn't stop them. Apparently buying on EGS basically gets you a Uplay key as they don't have the same system that steam has set up, so basically Ubisoft are getting payed to keep their game exclusive to Uplay with EGS being the only other place you can buy keys. I can see a RDR2 deal being the same.
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Interesting that Tencent also has a decent investment in Ubisoft which I guess is the reason behind the tie in with Epic https://www.polygon.com/2018/3/20/17144094/ubisoft-vivendi-sells-stake-tencent-deal
 
PieEater said:
Interesting that Tencent also has a decent investment in Ubisoft which I guess is the reason behind the tie in with Epic https://www.polygon.com/2018/3/20/17144094/ubisoft-vivendi-sells-stake-tencent-deal
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That's old I think. Pretty sure they only took on a 5% stake in Ubisoft in the end. They have something like a 25% stake in Activision Blizzard following the Vivendi share buyback, a 40% stake in Epic, 10% in PUBG Corp, they bought out the Path of Exile devs as well. I think people in this thread who are boycotting Epic due to Tencent probably don't play many games evidently if they are actively avoiding anything Tencent touches (or they aren't and are using it as a strawman argument!).

In addition they have no idea what Tencent's stake entails unless they have access to the Share articles to determine what rights they have under their share class (is it purely access to underlying assets/profits by way of dividend, do they have voting rights associated with it? Are they able to appoint people to the board etc. etc.). I look at these documents on a daily basis and I don't feel like I have enough information to make a determination on what input Tencent have but others here who on the face of it don't seem to understand this feel they are qualified to conclude? Maybe I'm missing something obvious.

Or is it herp derp China bad herp derp?
 
Errrrmmm The RDR2 News has come off 4chan, so about as much credence as a wilted cabbage leaf.

If it does come out on PC and on Epic, I will buy it on RSC and add it to my steam library as I do for my RSC copy... Steam chat n all that should RDR2 online ever be a thing worth playing.
 
Omaeka said:
Wont happen, Rockstar have their own storefront and Epic doesn't have enough money to make that worthwhile. Oh and the fact it's never coming to PC doesn't bode well either :p
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For a 12% cut any company will take the deal to offload bandwidth, infrastructure, refund, launcher headaches. 30% cut is another matter.
 
SS-89 said:
That's old I think. Pretty sure they only took on a 5% stake in Ubisoft in the end. They have something like a 25% stake in Activision Blizzard following the Vivendi share buyback, a 40% stake in Epic, 10% in PUBG Corp, they bought out the Path of Exile devs as well. I think people in this thread who are boycotting Epic due to Tencent probably don't play many games evidently if they are actively avoiding anything Tencent touches (or they aren't and are using it as a strawman argument!).

In addition they have no idea what Tencent's stake entails unless they have access to the Share articles to determine what rights they have under their share class (is it purely access to underlying assets/profits by way of dividend, do they have voting rights associated with it? Are they able to appoint people to the board etc. etc.). I look at these documents on a daily basis and I don't feel like I have enough information to make a determination on what input Tencent have but others here who on the face of it don't seem to understand this feel they are qualified to conclude? Maybe I'm missing something obvious.

Or is it herp derp China bad herp derp?
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If they have a small stake, then I don’t really care. It’s hefty stakes like activision blizzard that make it likely it has some sway.

Regardless Ubisoft games are *****, activision blizzard games are *****, pubg and fortnite are ***** and POE bores me to death.

No loss to me. And it’s not ‘herp derp China bad’, if China wasn’t run by an autocratic mess, I wouldn’t care, but it is and it’s increasingly showing its global ambitions.
 
StriderX said:
If they have a small stake, then I don’t really care. It’s hefty stakes like activision blizzard that make it likely it has some sway.

Regardless Ubisoft games are *****, activision blizzard games are *****, pubg and fortnite are ***** and POE bores me to death.

No loss to me. And it’s not ‘herp derp China bad’, if China wasn’t run by an autocratic mess, I wouldn’t care, but it is and it’s increasingly showing its global ambitions.
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Nobody knows, if their shares do not give them voting rights or a proportion of seats on the board then no they wouldn't have sway on the decisions of the company. And even if they did have voting rights/board seats, if proportional to their percentage stakes then they would not have 'control' (i.e. >50%). Your prerogative as to what you choose to play but like I said there simply isn't any publicly available information to conclude on what input Tencent has.
 
Here's a report from when Tencent bought their Epic share.

Massive Chinese internet company Tencent snatched up 48.4 percent of Epic Games' available capital shares for $330 million last summer, giving the company the right to nominate directors to the North Carolina-based studio's board , according to Tencent's financial reports.

The acquisition amounted to Tencent purchasing 40 percent of Epic Games, and led to Tencent appointing two representatives to the Epic board of directors, Epic Games founder Tim Sweeney told Polygon.
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StriderX said:
Just gonna ignore the stolen data, security failures and suspect management then?

I’m so ******* tired of this ‘it’s just another app’ argument, it’s not the main point of contention here, it’s that a firm has suddenly jumped in the field with manipulative practices right after a huge buyout from a incredibly fast growing Chinese firm with questionable motives.

The future of tencent is pretty much guaranteed to be just as massive as one of the big 4 or 5 tech companies in the next 5 to 10 years. Valve can’t compete with that at all. If Huawei is anything to go by, it’s unlikely to be much different at tencent and I don’t wish to support that in any manner.

Ignoring the political argument I have, could you describe a positive outcome of this that you’ve alluded to at the end of your post?
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Proof that Tencent's motives are questionable? Proof for stolen data, suspect management and your other allegations? Tencent is nothing like Huawei but feel free to educate me if I'm wrong.

As for the positive outcome, it already exists because they take a 12% cut which means more money go to the developer. It also indirectly forced Steam to lower its cut to 20-25% in some cases so, again, more money for people who work on games, rather than those who 'design' badges, gems and the rest of the rubbish Valve peddles on its platform.
 
Zethor said:
Proof that Tencent's motives are questionable? Proof for stolen data, suspect management and your other allegations? Tencent is nothing like Huawei but feel free to educate me if I'm wrong.

As for the positive outcome, it already exists because they take a 12% cut which means more money go to the developer. It also indirectly forced Steam to lower its cut to 20-25% in some cases so, again, more money for people who work on games, rather than those who 'design' badges, gems and the rest of the rubbish Valve peddles on its platform.
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That is all to easy to do. That's if you want to really know?

https://www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoint/comments/b0rxdq/epic_game_store_spyware_tracking_and_you/

https://www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoi..._game_store_spyware_tracking_and_you/eijlbge/

Or to see for yourself. Install Fiddler ;)
 
deuse said:
As I said. Do it yourself as I did.
Then make your own mind up.
I did have epic installed.
But the things is was trying to access was just silly.

The launcher also breaks some GDPR rules.
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Yep, I have done and validated what appears in the facepunch thread. I couldn't see anything which caused me concern (I use Fiddler regularly in my work as a software dev) but am interested if I have missed something. What specific thing did you see which was silly?
 
deuse said:
As I said. Do it yourself as I did.
Then make your own mind up.
I did have epic installed.
But the things is was trying to access was just silly.

The launcher also breaks some GDPR rules.
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The Reddit claims were debunked repeatedly, they are essentially "fake news" at the moment, why am I not surprised that a usual suspect such as yourself is presenting them as proof? You don't get to "make up your own mind" when faced with undeniable proof that you are wrong. Facts are facts, the world is not flat and the Epic launcher does not do what you people claim it does.
 
ZombieFan said:
Yep, I have done and validated what appears in the facepunch thread. I couldn't see anything which caused me concern (I use Fiddler regularly in my work as a software dev) but am interested if I have missed something. What specific thing did you see which was silly?
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I used Fiddler and sysinternals.
The amount of things it was trying to use\access wasn't normal.

Zethor said:
The Reddit claims were debunked repeatedly, they are essentially "fake news" at the moment, why am I not surprised that a usual suspect such as yourself is presenting them as proof? You don't get to "make up your own mind" when faced with undeniable proof that you are wrong. Facts are facts, the world is not flat and the Epic launcher does not do what you people claim it does.
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So you know these people and trust them?
I mean you would not just trust any fool on the net..............would you :)
 
I put this in another thread but it fits better here and sums up imo why paying for exclusives whilst not ideal is probably necessary IF they have a chance to rival steam. Frankly after years of valve talking money and doing very little with it and making a slinking cesspit of a store whilst spending time making hats and trading cards whilst letting their decent IPs die, AND being the company who introduced forced bloatware installs to run games.... I can live with epic tapping up Devs, it's not like I can't play the games like if Sony nicked the IP www.gamesindustry.biz/amp/2019-02-01-epic-vs-steam-exclusives-raise-the-stakes
 
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