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Is it though or is that something you've made up I've certainly never seen it defined. I strongly suspect most hard brexit supporters would. Evsuggesting a much more favourable trade deal than the WTO default.
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Davidson has denied that in a tweet but then went on the radio and said Scottish businesses need access to the single market.
Basically it's too early for players to show their hands. The fact Johnson and Davies are deafeninly quiet though is all anyone needs to know.
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This is exactly what is going to happen.
No mater who is in denial about the situation.
The UK ports and airports on the mainland will be subject to European and international checks, those in NI will also be subject to such regs, but freedom of movement will exist north to south.
It is the only realistic method any brexit border can be enforced without spending billions on a customs and security border.
NI will be left in quaziland , and no one will be bothered, not the nationalists not the unionists no one, as it is the only way to achieve it.
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Is the answer a more charismatic Lib Dem leader might have led to a Conservative majority. Because you're right the Conservatives increased their share and numbers it was just unusual for the second place party to get such a high percentage of the vote.
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There is zero chnance of the Brexit prescribed by TM and brexiteers post referendum happening without another GE. The DUP don't want it, scottish conservatives don't want it, and the majority of english tory MPs don't want it either. The mantra will remain the same but the substance will be slowly watered down.
It's going to be a difficault climb down. The process is essentially pointless.
yeah, what i meant though is it isnt just brexit, they essentially don't even have a majority for the day to day running. If you look at dup + many of tories own MPs they cant run goverment the numbers just dont work. Unless they work for the best of the country, but the chance of that is pretty much zero. compromise after con/ld got destroyed.
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Exactly this. Alienating their core voters was not wise. A good leader and the conservatives will get the seats they wanted.
Ruth has already debunked that. Quite bluntly on twitter
And yet those tariff's will still be cheaper than EU membership.
Predicted Tory slogan at the next election: Only We Can Clean Up The Mess That We've Created
And I guess this is the end of Conservatives talking about English votes for English matters?
OK you don't like using the hard and soft let's not.
Do you believe all 52% of those voting for brexit support defaulting to WTO with its 100 billion short term costs?
If not then I'd argue, that we agree that the majority are seeking a deal with the EU.
a position I describe as soft Brexit
(not unfair to assume as at least 48% wanted to continue the deal we already had).
You base that statement on whose analysis of current trade?
his own like always in this thread he's come up with so much crazy stuff.
we would be stuffed on WTO as it does not cover services which includes the banking sector. It would cripple us and not just for a decade but many decades.
350m a week is 18 billion yearly membership fee.
Summary & Conclusion
For the last 40 years, preoccupied with "Europe", British governments have neglected the Commonwealthb. In the next 40 years, by an accident of history, the Commonwealth will be where much of global GDP growth (and hence of growth in propensity to import) will occur. The Commonwealth, originating in the nineteenth century and functioning in its present form since 1949, is the user-friendly neglected colossus which could enable UK business to fully capitalise on its strengths, focussing on exporting to, & investing in, the growth markets of the future.
The United Nations has 192 member-countries. The Commonwealth, which will account for 38 per cent of global labour force by 2050, has 55 members. The European Union, which will account for 5 per cent of global labour force by 2050, has 27 members.
For the last 40 years, preoccupied with "Europe", British governments have neglected the Commonwealthb. In the next 40 years, by an accident of history, the Commonwealth will be where much of global GDP growth (and hence of growth in propensity to import) will occur. The Commonwealth, originating in the nineteenth century and functioning in its present form since 1949, is the user-friendly neglected colossus which could enable UK business to fully capitalise on its strengths, focussing on exporting to, & investing in, the growth markets of the future.
The United Nations has 192 member-countries. The Commonwealth, which will account for 38 per cent of global labour force by 2050, has 55 members. The European Union, which will account for 5 per cent of global labour force by 2050, has 27 members.
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Said this yesterday. They made one mess and the another and why.... All to get a big majority both times and get more power.
I dint know how anyone can vote for a party that puts its party before country. The tories have been incredibly selfish. Although I don't agree with Ukips ideals... At least they are doing what they believe is the right thing for the UK. I have more respect for them than the Tories.
LOL, not only do we not pay 350million a week to eu, you actually believe that liw which has been demonstrated to be wrong a million times, That link does not in any way support your claims, or ignores the fact we are the banking gateway to EU and we would lose that under wto.
you've added 2+2 and came up with 13
you've added 2+2 and came up with 13
General Conclusions
· The USA will become more powerful than it is today, economically, militarily, politically, culturally.
· Europe, & the European Union as a whole, will decline economically, militarily, politically, culturally.
· Growth in GDP, market size & equity returns will occur outside Europe.
· Continental EU will be a shrinking market, relatively unattractive to exporters and investors.
· The tax base of Continental EU will shrink: tax rates & public-sector debt will have to increase.
· Shrinking & ageing population in Continental EU will mean more demand for state-provided healthcare & pensions, with fewer active people to provide them.
· Most EU member-states will see falling demand for houses, schools, factories, shops and capital goods, with falling asset values & investment. This will affect both the tax base and the equity markets on which private pension provision depends.
· The USA will become more powerful than it is today, economically, militarily, politically, culturally.
· Europe, & the European Union as a whole, will decline economically, militarily, politically, culturally.
· Growth in GDP, market size & equity returns will occur outside Europe.
· Continental EU will be a shrinking market, relatively unattractive to exporters and investors.
· The tax base of Continental EU will shrink: tax rates & public-sector debt will have to increase.
· Shrinking & ageing population in Continental EU will mean more demand for state-provided healthcare & pensions, with fewer active people to provide them.
· Most EU member-states will see falling demand for houses, schools, factories, shops and capital goods, with falling asset values & investment. This will affect both the tax base and the equity markets on which private pension provision depends.
This paper takes growth in Labour Force, here defined as Working-Age (15-64) Population, to be a proxy for growth in GDP, using the latest projections of working-age population from the United Nations.
· It concludes that the rest of the Commonwealth will represent a market over nine times greater than that of the rest of the EU by 2050. Competition to export to & invest in the developing world will be fierce. British exporters will need to maximise their strengths: which is why, over the next forty years, the Commonwealth has the potential to become a valuable component of British trade policy.
· It concludes that the rest of the Commonwealth will represent a market over nine times greater than that of the rest of the EU by 2050. Competition to export to & invest in the developing world will be fierce. British exporters will need to maximise their strengths: which is why, over the next forty years, the Commonwealth has the potential to become a valuable component of British trade policy.
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