Poll: Exit Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Results discussion and OcUK Exit Poll - Closing 8th July

Exit poll: Who did you vote for?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 302 27.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 577 52.6%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 104 9.5%
  • Green

    Votes: 13 1.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 19 1.7%
  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 30 2.7%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 6 0.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 46 4.2%

  • Total voters
    1,097
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Tories are in full self destruct mode and it's probably only going to get worse.

Corbyn's popularity will rise as people get to know him better. There is no way the Labour Party will try to get rid of Corbyn now. People want a change and Corbyn provides it.
 
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if May carries on with this DUP coalition i think i'm done supporting conservatives.

if the party forces her out and refuses to sell their soul to the archaic DUP thats one thing but i dont think they have the backbone to risk power for principals.

I understand the idea of the ends justify the means but here the means will alter the ends.
 
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if May carries on with this DUP coalition i think i'm done supporting conservatives.

if the party forces her out and refuses to sell their soul to the archaic DUP thats one thing but i dont think they have the backbone to risk power for principals.

I understand the idea of the ends justify the means but here the means will alter the ends.
The DUP will not save May.....
 
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You Tories underestimated Corbyn and Labour - are you going to make the same mistake again.

Is not the definition of stupidity doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result? Labour members have tried something different and it's working.


i think the problem with corbyn is he doesnt have the momenutum to carry on for 5 years till another election, hell be come boring, and all thne 18-20 year olds who support him will grow up to be 23-25 year olds and thier views change.

i think the infighting and knives will get him before he gets another chance, unless the tory party cracks up and holds another early ge
 

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This DUP thing is being hyped up too much. The DUP aren't going to be pushing to influence mainland policy. They don't care about how policy is shaped on the mainland. They're an exclusively Northern Irish Party.

If they get more money for NI then surely that means less money for England. How is that not affecting the "mainland" as you put it? Or are the Tories just going to shake their magic money tree (you know, the same one that pays for their wars and tax cuts?).
 
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i think the problem with corbyn is he doesnt have the momenutum to carry on for 5 years till another election, hell be come boring, and all thne 18-20 year olds who support him will grow up to be 23-25 year olds and thier views change.

i think the infighting and knives will get him before he gets another chance, unless the tory party cracks up and holds another early ge
Corbyn needs another election to happen this year.....
 
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Corbyn needs another election to happen this year.....

So, I’ve seen some people suggest that if the potential Conservative/DUP coalition falls apart, Labour will be in a good place to ‘win’ a new election. Sure, they’ll probably gain a few more seats, but if you consider winning to be an outright majority, I don’t think this is likely without change. Before I go any further, I think it’s important to recognise what Corbyn did right. This is well publicised but it’s clear he is a good campaigner and has mobilised a younger vote that weren’t previously engaged in the political process. His campaigning has certainly changed opinions within the Labour membership, the Parliamentary Labour Party and Labour’s voting base, becoming more supportive of his leadership.

Corbyn is showing that he’s bringing a bit more cohesion to the Labour party, but I don’t think that’s enough. Labour won 262 seats which while a good improvement, is far from what is required for a majority and this needs to be recognised. Put simply, galvanising the traditional Labour voting base isn’t enough to win an outright majority for two main reasons:

The topic of Brexit doesn’t fall down party lines. Europe is an issue that has proved difficult for both the Conservative and the Labour parties to deal with as there are inter party divisions. I suspect much of the reason that voters have moved away from smaller parties to a two-party system again is due to the difference in opinion over how the Brexit issue is being handled. This is probably one of the biggest political challenges in the best part of a century. Labour’s approach on Brexit is far from clear, they want to avoid hard Brexit, but the values and principles that any negotiations may take hasn’t been communicated in any detail to the electorate. This is simply too big an issue not to have strong leadership on. Whilst I am strongly opposed to the Conservative stance on Brexit, I do recognise that their offer is pretty clear to everyone.

The other polarising issue is around Labour’s economic policy. It’s clear that for much of Labour’s core case, this is a very popular manifesto. The idea of nationalising certain industries, taxing higher earners, a national investment bank, coupled with student loan abolishment is music to many voters. The problem is, it’s very left of centre and while that will solidify part of the electorate, it alienates much of the centre. For the UK to really have a strong majority it needs to be broadly popular with casual (or swing) conservative voters too, and the economic policy simply doesn’t seem fiscally responsible enough for these voters to vote labour. This needs to be toned down to not seem like a risky move for Conservative voters who don’t like certain Conservative positions, but feel that Labour is too much of a risk for the country at such a critical time. Simply by taking a more measured approach, support will come from a broader composition of the electorate. That's not to say that Labour shouldn't be anti-austerity, just that the public need confidence that the policies have been costed and how they are going to be fiscally responsible.

Finally, and a bit tangentially, we’re only in the position of wanting majorities due to FPTP and a more to PR would significantly change the rules of UK politics. I don’t see this happening any times soon and even if a referendum on PR happened (and the actual system was agreed) I don’t have much confidence the public would vote for it.
 
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i think the problem with corbyn is he doesnt have the momenutum to carry on for 5 years till another election, hell be come boring, and all thne 18-20 year olds who support him will grow up to be 23-25 year olds and thier views change.

This is a dangerous assumption. I'm 28 and before the election I was going to vote lib Dems. I changed my vote to labour after seeing more of corbyn and having many of his values align with mine. My vote is now strongly with labour. After seeing may dig in her heels to hold onto power with the DUP and the tory party in shambles.... Labour looks more united then ever.
 
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So, I’ve seen some people suggest that if the potential Conservative/DUP coalition falls apart, Labour will be in a good place to ‘win’ a new election. Sure, they’ll probably gain a few more seats, but if you consider winning to be an outright majority, I don’t think this is likely without change. Before I go any further, I think it’s important to recognise what Corbyn did right. This is well publicised but it’s clear he is a good campaigner and has mobilised a younger vote that weren’t previously engaged in the political process. His campaigning has certainly changed opinions within the Labour membership, the Parliamentary Labour Party and Labour’s voting base, becoming more supportive of his leadership.

Corbyn is showing that he’s bringing a bit more cohesion to the Labour party, but I don’t think that’s enough. Labour won 262 seats which while a good improvement, is far from what is required for a majority and this needs to be recognised. Put simply, galvanising the traditional Labour voting base isn’t enough to win an outright majority for two main reasons:

The topic of Brexit doesn’t fall down party lines. Europe is an issue that has proved difficult for both the Conservative and the Labour parties to deal with as there are inter party divisions. I suspect much of the reason that voters have moved away from smaller parties to a two-party system again is due to the difference in opinion over how the Brexit issue is being handled. This is probably one of the biggest political challenges in the best part of a century. Labour’s approach on Brexit is far from clear, they want to avoid hard Brexit, but the values and principles that any negotiations may take hasn’t been communicated in any detail to the electorate. This is simply too big an issue not to have strong leadership on. Whilst I am strongly opposed to the Conservative stance on Brexit, I do recognise that their offer is pretty clear to everyone.

The other polarising issue is around Labour’s economic policy. It’s clear that for much of Labour’s core case, this is a very popular manifesto. The idea of nationalising certain industries, taxing higher earners, a national investment bank, coupled with student loan abolishment is music to many voters. The problem is, it’s very left of centre and while that will solidify part of the electorate, it alienates much of the centre. For the UK to really have a strong majority it needs to be broadly popular with casual (or swing) conservative voters too, and the economic policy simply doesn’t seem fiscally responsible enough for these voters to vote labour. This needs to be toned down to not seem like a risky move for Conservative voters who don’t like certain Conservative positions, but feel that Labour is too much of a risk for the country at such a critical time. Simply by taking a more measured approach, support will come from a broader composition of the electorate. That's not to say that Labour shouldn't be anti-austerity, just that the public need confidence that the policies have been costed and how they are going to be fiscally responsible.

Finally, and a bit tangentially, we’re only in the position of wanting majorities due to FPTP and a more to PR would significantly change the rules of UK politics. I don’t see this happening any times soon and even if a referendum on PR happened (and the actual system was agreed) I don’t have much confidence the public would vote for it.

No more referendum, just enact it by force. Sick of useless people voting on things that doesnt benefit them directly.
 
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But, if May goes, and somebody like Davis or Boris steps in, surely they will still need to be propped up by the loony religious fundamentalist terrorist supporting DUP unless they go for another election with a manifesto that sucks up to old people again?
 
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Labour’s approach on Brexit is far from clear, they want to avoid hard Brexit, but the values and principles that any negotiations may take hasn’t been communicated in any detail to the electorate. This is simply too big an issue not to have strong leadership on. Whilst I am strongly opposed to the Conservative stance on Brexit, I do recognise that their offer is pretty clear to everyone.

Completely disagree. What is the tories stance on brexit because you must know something that the rest of the country doesn't know. What does may want... What trade deal does she want... Want divorce bill is she expecting... There is many many many unaswered questions.
 
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Here's how it's going to go down....

May out.
Johnson in.
Election.
Johnson out.
Corbyn in.

So sayeth Wordstrodamus.

May out.
Farage in.
Election.
Farage v Corbyn .
Result = ?

So sayeth Arazistrodamus.

I am just putting that one out there, expect anything in the next week, just an opinion, which Tory MP wants to put their name forward for leadership in this **** storm, likes of Johnson and co imo wont risk it, therefore an outsider.

I hope so, i have got a few quid on Farage being next leader of the Tory party or next PM haha, odss between 100\1 and 200\1 :)

Come on.
 
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20000 police job cuts under Tory

And now the torys in bed with homophobic creationist terrorists....

pales in comparison with what Corbyn would do if you went by his past record. I am well aware of the Tories record with regard to cuts to the police. Who were to be fair far from the only public service to have large cuts and the Tories backed off from further cuts in 2015.

I think its highly dangerous to suggest that the recent terrorist attacks could have been prevented or mitigated if not for the cuts. Of course 20%+ cuts to police budgets have hampered the police ability to do their job generally but police were on scene very quickly in both recent London attacks and of course were on scene quickly after the detonation of the Manchester suicide bomb. It's not realistic to say either that the police/ security services could thwart such attacks of only it wasn't for tory cuts. Simply put no realistic sum of money would allow for such attacks to be stopped with any reliability.


there's also a world of difference between an anti UK prime minster who wouldn't stand a chance of passing vetting for any sensitive police role let alone a job in the security services with a marxist chancellor in tow and the Tories having to rely on 10 northern Irish Mp's with the baggage that comes with that.

I'm not here to say that the Tories with or without May and with or without the DUP are a good choice I'm here to say that sometimes we have to choose the least worse realistic option which I suggest ruled out Labour with corbyn at the helm....
 
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Completely disagree. What is the tories stance on brexit because you must know something that the rest of the country doesn't know. What does may want... What trade deal does she want... Want divorce bill is she expecting... There is many many many unaswered questions.

Indeed.

Anyone who says they know what the Tory stance is on Brexit is spouting fluff.
 
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So, I’ve seen some people suggest that if the potential Conservative/DUP coalition falls apart, Labour will be in a good place to ‘win’ a new election. Sure, they’ll probably gain a few more seats, but if you consider winning to be an outright majority, I don’t think this is likely without change. Before I go any further, I think it’s important to recognise what Corbyn did right. This is well publicised but it’s clear he is a good campaigner and has mobilised a younger vote that weren’t previously engaged in the political process. His campaigning has certainly changed opinions within the Labour membership, the Parliamentary Labour Party and Labour’s voting base, becoming more supportive of his leadership.

Corbyn is showing that he’s bringing a bit more cohesion to the Labour party, but I don’t think that’s enough. Labour won 262 seats which while a good improvement, is far from what is required for a majority and this needs to be recognised. Put simply, galvanising the traditional Labour voting base isn’t enough to win an outright majority for two main reasons:

The topic of Brexit doesn’t fall down party lines. Europe is an issue that has proved difficult for both the Conservative and the Labour parties to deal with as there are inter party divisions. I suspect much of the reason that voters have moved away from smaller parties to a two-party system again is due to the difference in opinion over how the Brexit issue is being handled. This is probably one of the biggest political challenges in the best part of a century. Labour’s approach on Brexit is far from clear, they want to avoid hard Brexit, but the values and principles that any negotiations may take hasn’t been communicated in any detail to the electorate. This is simply too big an issue not to have strong leadership on. Whilst I am strongly opposed to the Conservative stance on Brexit, I do recognise that their offer is pretty clear to everyone.

The other polarising issue is around Labour’s economic policy. It’s clear that for much of Labour’s core case, this is a very popular manifesto. The idea of nationalising certain industries, taxing higher earners, a national investment bank, coupled with student loan abolishment is music to many voters. The problem is, it’s very left of centre and while that will solidify part of the electorate, it alienates much of the centre. For the UK to really have a strong majority it needs to be broadly popular with casual (or swing) conservative voters too, and the economic policy simply doesn’t seem fiscally responsible enough for these voters to vote labour. This needs to be toned down to not seem like a risky move for Conservative voters who don’t like certain Conservative positions, but feel that Labour is too much of a risk for the country at such a critical time. Simply by taking a more measured approach, support will come from a broader composition of the electorate. That's not to say that Labour shouldn't be anti-austerity, just that the public need confidence that the policies have been costed and how they are going to be fiscally responsible.

Finally, and a bit tangentially, we’re only in the position of wanting majorities due to FPTP and a more to PR would significantly change the rules of UK politics. I don’t see this happening any times soon and even if a referendum on PR happened (and the actual system was agreed) I don’t have much confidence the public would vote for it.

An Election this year would see the full weight of the labour party swing behind Corbyn, something he did not get from this election because they were expecting him to lose badly, and too many did not what to come across as being associated with him...
 
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