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EU has been pretty much nothing but a success for the UK.
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Yet in our time of need FPTP has given us exactly two hung parliaments and a grand total of infinite useless governments that have done nothing for the country other than keep it afloat so London could hoover up all the attention.
Not going to happen now as those jobs will never ever come back.
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I believe there's not a single law we have in the UK that would not have been implemented anyway. Hence why most of the laws are being passed "behind closed doors".
Points that have been discussed.
Greater and easier access to opportunities including jobs and lifestyle.
Larger bargaining power in trade deals to allow better deals that benefit us.
Larger trading zone and unified regulation meaning less red tape and cheaper and easier opportunities for exporting companies and people as a whole.
Greater protection of civil liberties and rights (as shown time and time again by the positions of the ruling government regarding human rights and the environment).
Simpler and quicker channels for intelligence sharing for the protection against criminality.
Cross European legislation making it easier for the protection of the environment, because gas, pollution and animals don't need passports to cross national boundaries.
Greater influence in international negotiations, such as the Paris Climate deal and other similar agreements.
Just off the top of my head. But then these have been articulated to you in the past, and you've just ignored them and/or proclaimed that leaving the EU will force the UK government not to blame the EU when the UK government make policy blamed on the EU (such as fisheries).
There are a huge number of positives, whereas the Leave argument basically boils down to "immigrants, EU army, loss of soverignty, bendy bendy bananas/held and safety, and how much we send the EU".
The Leave reaosns are generally negative, whereas the remain reasons are by and large positive.
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they're aiming to provide certainty with a strong and stable leadership to bring to the brexit negotiating table.....
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She's power hungry. I don't think she gives a flying **** about this country and is set to make the Tories unelectable.
That's the point the EU now is not what people voted for
They voted for single market not ask the stuff they addedagain the issue i take with this argument is ok it's a point, but i've yet to been shown this supposedly extensive list of laws voted in by the "unelected eu officials" that are providing such a detriment to our country, yet things like free trade, free travel, working time directive, hell even the tpd have all provided tangible benefits.
this is the older generation who was doing so well without the eu they voted to join it?
If you read and hear something so often, you start to believe it.
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Labrot should get a job at the DM.
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Someone on Facebook was crying that TM only needed 402 votes and she would have got her majority, yet Corbyn would need over 103,000 to achieve the same.
While this may be true, I just see it as further evidence that the FPTP system and our constituency boundaries are broken.
2.4% difference in votes equates to 8.6% difference in seats.
It's not very democratic.
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And sanctimonious people like yourself don't look at any of the negatives just expect people to suck it up.
And you wonder why people want to leave?
Just as conversely the people who look at just the positives of brexit rather than its implications are just as close minded.
The EU did not and will not reform. People do not want unfettered immigration, people do not want to lose sovereignty. In the absence of this, I think leaving was reasonable.
Technically 48% of those that voted want freedom of movement as it is in the EU.
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it's a wonderfully simple world isn't it, this one you're portraying. i just wish the world could be simplified to only needing to vote based on a single policy, it'd be great.
again the issue i take with this argument is ok it's a point, but i've yet to been shown this supposedly extensive list of laws voted in by the "unelected eu officials" that are providing such a detriment to our country, yet things like free trade, free travel, working time directive, hell even the tpd have all provided tangible benefits.
this is the older generation who was doing so well without the eu they voted to join it?
Nobody voted to join the EU at all, they voted to join a common market & when given the chance voted to leave what the common market had become.
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I don't believe this for a moment. As much as anything else, I thought the Fictional Arms had a strict "no foreigners" policy.3 Germans in there the other night,on their way back from the TT, staying over. Their English wasn't very good but they made it resoundingly clear what they thought of Merkel's open door immigration policy, and I learnt a few derogatory descriptions of them in another tongue.....There's a LOT of resentment of them in Germany, my pal's sister lives there and the situation is volatile, Merkel is trying to appease her people by banning the veil, but I think many want to ban any more of the wearers as well.... Quite a lot on the BBC web site this morning about how various EU countries are wanting to take a much harder stance against the change in culture.
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