Poll: Exit Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Results discussion and OcUK Exit Poll - Closing 8th July

Exit poll: Who did you vote for?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 302 27.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 577 52.6%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 104 9.5%

  • Green

    Votes: 13 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 19 1.7%

  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 30 2.7%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 6 0.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 46 4.2%
  • Total voters
    1,097
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delta0 said:
Looks like we have some super sized coalition going on after today. Labour and Conservatives working together now. Talk of making free movement apply to those with jobs only (Belgium have this arrangement apparently).
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Good news if true.

The actual EU laws regarding FoM make it quite clear that FoM applies to workers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_for_workers_in_the_European_Union

EU nationals can move to another member to to seek employment, but restrictions can be then be placed, e.g. they would have to join the job center and prove they are seeking employment and would be capable to working.
 
Mr Badger said:
I think you would be genuinely amazed at the people who pop in there to support Chris Wilson's arguments.
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I hear the Pope nipped in the other day for cheeky pint, gave a right blithering about them dirty foreigners taking the jobs of toilet cleaners and potato pickers up and down the country..
 
Much as I am pro-remain, I really hope we can make a success of Brexit. I will of course absolutely admit that I was wrong if it does turn out to be great.
 
Well this aint the bloody 1500s anymore, the time of stately-hood being at all important is becoming abundantly irrelevant that even the US is finding it difficult to operate their now faltering empire.
 
TwsT said:
OFC but anyone else in the country on minimum wage pays the same and they will be here when they retire, the Eastern Europeans are likely to return to their homeland. It is never as simple as it seems.

I wonder how much of the population is on minimum wage or close to (many companies like to pay 10p more to claim they pay above national min)
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I disagree with many of them returning to their homeland, they are mostly young and having families here that need supporting. The vast majority have no intention of returning while the going is good here. They will only move on when the pot is empty.

I can't disagree with your second paragraph, but why do we feel the need to import more people to cost the taxpayers money?
 
Tunney said:
That's a completely false statement.

Citizens from the first 14 EU nations tend to earn more, on average, than British-born workers. Those workers from more recent entrants tend to earn less. However, it's false to say that even those are mostly earning minimum wage.
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From the data that is available we cannot confirm overall average earnings of UK born workers with non-UK born workers in 2009 and 2010, although income distribution tables show that workers from the EUA8 do have lower average earnings.

Taken from the link you posted, maybe you should have read it properly instead of taking just the bit you wanted. Poland is an EUA8 state, and these were the states I was talking about when I mention Polish box packers as you well know.
Was that a lie or did you just not read your own link?
 
delta0 said:
Looks like we have some super sized coalition going on after today. Labour and Conservatives working together now. Talk of making free movement apply to those with jobs only (Belgium have this arrangement apparently).
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Once they started saying 'in the national interest' and Gove saying he would welcome suggestions about Brexit from people like Kier Starmer I thought this sort of thing would happen. Party politics should be put aside for once.
 
I apologize in advance for posting a Daily Mail link

DUP says deal to prop up May in power will be struck 'sooner rather than later' after Ian Paisley-founded party presents PM with £1billion 'shopping list' of demands
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...al-DUP-hit-Peace-Process.html#reader-comments

What the HELL is she doing even if the figure is anywhere near that amount.... just to grab power. Does she not realise that one of the reasons people voted labour was because money was being wasted when our NHS and policing was being cut.
Then we get stories of austerity ending. Where is she getting this money from?! Almost as if there IS a magic money tree.................
 
Irish_Tom said:
Someone on Facebook was crying that TM only needed 402 votes and she would have got her majority, yet Corbyn would need over 103,000 to achieve the same.

While this may be true, I just see it as further evidence that the FPTP system and our constituency boundaries are broken.

2.4% difference in votes equates to 8.6% difference in seats.

It's not very democratic.
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Boundary reviews happen regularly in the UK. The next one is in 2018 I believe, so will be adopted for the next general election.
 
chroniclard said:
EU has been pretty much nothing but a success for the UK.
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As I look round the country, at our highest government debt since the immediate years after WW2, communities torn asunder, slaughter in London twice and Manchester over a single month, families reliant on food banks to survive, I often think to myself; "so much win"...
 
scorza said:
As I look round the country, at our highest government debt since the immediate years after WW2, communities torn asunder, slaughter in London twice and Manchester over a single month, families reliant on food banks to survive, I often think to myself; "so much win"...
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Europe is done, the coudenhove kalergi plan it's being implemented, we are suffering as a result
 
scorza said:
As I look round the country, at our highest government debt since the immediate years after WW2, communities torn asunder, slaughter in London twice and Manchester over a single month, families reliant on food banks to survive, I often think to myself; "so much win"...
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None of those things are the fault of the EU over and above our own continually incompetent governments, forever more interested in playing politics than they've ever been about the state of our country.

You might start to cotton on once we've left and all these problems just get worse.
 
scorza said:
As I look round the country, at our highest government debt since the immediate years after WW2, communities torn asunder, slaughter in London twice and Manchester over a single month, families reliant on food banks to survive, I often think to myself; "so much win"...
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Yes because Muslim extremists come from EU ? Wake up.

You have no idea in what state UK would be without EU so you can't say anything in this case as you've got no direct comparison.
 
SlugForAButt said:
Maybe he means that skilled/neccessary migrants are welcome, but we already have enough Polish box packers in factories. The majority of EU migrants earn minimum wages working in unskilled jobs and likely pay about £400pa income tax. Clearly £400 per year doesn't pay a fair share for all the facilites used.
Not everything is as black and white as you claim.

EDIT: admittedly I didnt take NI in to account.
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Very few people pay their way. That's the entire point of a collective society. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need and suchlike.
 
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