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Failed assassination on Ahmed Dogan

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Zenduri, 19 Jan 2013.

  1. StriderX

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    Wouldn't put past that area of the world frankly, it does seem stupid that you would bring a non-lethal weapon to try and kill a high-profile person with.
     
  2. muon

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    The police in a lot of countries, including the UK, give beat downs for a lot less.
     
  3. K1LLSW1TCH

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    Should have used a revolver, school boy error.
     
  4. dowie

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    the person he tried to kill wasn't one of the people involved in kicking him afterwards

    on a personal/emotional level - he quite frankly fully deserved the beating

    though in a decent society you can't allow that sort of thing, he was already pinned down by a security guy, random middle aged men in suits coming along to stick the boot in isn't really on... especially the ones that didn't approach until after he'd been pinned to the floor.
     
  5. FragnaticDeath

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    Someone has a brain. Thank you! Assassinations do not just fail. Anyone who has ever trained with weapons knows this.
     
  6. muon

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    I don't think the UK is beyond such behaviour although I doubt our politicians would do that.
     
  7. TheVoice

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    So that's okay for politicians to do it in front of several cameras and a room full of people?
     
  8. dowie

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    lol, yup, I reckon our politicians in a fight would be something more akin to this:

     
  9. estebanrey

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    I think you'll find the law DOES make account for people's natural reactions when faced by a crime and any sensible judge will take it into account if it gets to court.

    If it were the case that no amount of natural reaction was considered in law then the term self defense would exist at all, because even by defending yourself you would be committing common assault.

    Another example, David Beckham got off a speeding charge because he said he thought he was being chased and he feared for his life.

    The question is where that line is drawn, but to imply the law doesn't take account of "kneejerk emotional reactions" at all is plain false.
     
  10. StriderX

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    Dogan used self-defence, that is fine.

    The rest were just revengeful, does revenge stand up in court?
     
  11. muon

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    What's cameras and people got to do with anything? Should we be kicked out of the EU because of it?
     
  12. estebanrey

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    Correct.

    Like scaring the **** out of a 70 year old man for (and I **** you not) not wearing a seat belt.

     
  13. estebanrey

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    Oh come off it, it was probably the most pathetic 'beating' I've ever seen. All that happened was a few over-weight, middle aged politicians jumped in with their powder-puff foot stomps and an old man hit him with an umbrella.

    Maybe you think this old woman should be sent down for GBH....

     
  14. StriderX

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  15. TheVoice

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    What does this have to do with the actual thread? You like to slip in your anti-police nonsense whenever you can really.
     
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  16. bluDawg

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    If he was gonna get that close why did he not just use a knife?
     
  17. Zenduri

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    They let him have it because the git wouldnt stop and thought he was above the law and refused to stop for them... then claimed puppy dog innocence
     
  18. Brookert

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    So failing to stop had nothing to do with it? Do you expect to be treated gently when you have showed a disrespect for the law?


    Yea....thought so
     
  19. estebanrey

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    We were talking about the law on what is a reasonable action when faced with criminal aggression. The position in society is irrelevant.

    And I wasn't comparing the two events, just following the logical conclusions of the arguments you've made so far.

    I was responding to this post....

    So the idea I introduced the example out of nowhere like you imply is based on a false premise. Besides you are mis-representing my position based on the what i suspect is selective reading/memory of my posts. I am neither anti nor pro police, I have posted stuff both in support and against them in the past. I judge each situation on it's merits so again your insinuations are groundless.
     
  20. muon

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    Lot's of things taken out of context. Posts were in reponse to the "Bulgarians are backwards" posts. "They can't remain calm when faced with an attempted assassination".