Former Russian double agent seriously ill in Salisbury.

Fubsy said:
Completely missed that then. How on Earth did they manage to miss that for so long then?!

Last time I heard anything on this story it was all mums panicking about letting little Jimmy run around the local park in case he found some Novichok left in some bushes.
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I think they found it fairly quickly but didnt announce it till testing was complete and positive, sort of makes sense otherwise they'd be announcing every empty drinks bottle they come across
 
mmj_uk said:
The DM article today about his ITV interview leaves more questions than it answers, in the interview he says he gave the perfume to his wife as a gift but the shopkeeper he talked to shortly after the incident quotes him as saying that he wishes she hadn't picked it up. He also can't remember where he picked it up and says that it was sealed like new.
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Something fishy about the fella in my unprofessional opinion, I suspect there may be more weird twists and turns in due course.
 
It's escalating...

It is becoming clear, without any official policing sources confirming it, that significant progress has been made in the Salisbury spy poisoning investigation.

Detectives from the South East Counter-Terrorism Unit appear to have got to the stage where they have isolated two people from CCTV images as their prime suspects in the suspected nerve agent poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal in March.

...At this stage no-one has confirmed officially that the two suspects have been fully identified by their real names, but a discussion has begun between counter-terrorism officers, the Crown Prosecution Service, the Foreign Office, the Home Office and the intelligence agencies as to what is the best way forward.
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(Source).
 
The key question in those discussions is whether the UK should make a formal request to Russia for the two people suspected of carrying out the Novichok attack to be sent to the UK for trial.
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So that means the suspects were Russians who came here for the "hit" then.

IMO as there's zero chance of extradition the government should just hold a public inquiry into it so everything is laid out for people to see and there can be no doubts in (rational) minds.
 
ubersonic said:
So that means the suspects were Russians who came here for the "hit" then.
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No. It means they are leaking this information to put pressure on some taking part in discussions, who are opposed to framing two Russians who happened to visit the UK, to comply with what the Foreign Office (presumably) wants.

Similar was done with Theresa May. It was leaked to the press that "MI5 expects PM to blame Russia." That puts any leader (chortle) in a spot. If they don't do it, the press would report "Rift/war between MI5 and government." "Government does not trust MI5." Etc. Then the arguments of "who knows more?" and "you're showing weakness" would be used against May.

Meantime in her last phone call Yulia allegedly told her cousin Viktoria that she now has access to the internet and she understands everything and to forgive her. Wonder what that's all about. Interesting musings here: http://www.theblogmire.com/if-yulia...nds-everything-what-did-they-tell-her-before/

And we also have the press (Guardian - the grand old dodgy Luke Harding himself) trying to set the stage for Yulia to be accused of being a Russian spy so that she is never allowed her freedom. Back in March, Yulia was initially reported by UK media as having worked at the US Embassy in Moscow for some time. This was retracted when the US Embassy denied it. But last week they tried again (without naming names - "female spy") and the Guardian and the US Embassy got into a spat about it. So there doesn't seem to be agreement yet between the UK and US either, on which story to proceed with. Only a lot of Machiavellian activity spilling to the public through the press in the form of countless leaks.
 
Malevolence said:
So are you saying that the Russian 'hit team' are still in this country then?
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No. I'm simply saying the "leak", more than anything else, means pressure being applied to come up with something even if there is no basis to it in fact.

On 12th July, the head of the counter terror unit, Neil Basu, publicly stated they were no closer to finding who had done it. A mere week later, a "leak" through an unnamed source announces that they have found who did it. Then more "leaks" building on this since.

The leaks aren't real leaks - they aren't real whistle-blower type leaks. It is information/disinformation that some players want the public to believe, without having to issue official statements on the matter, so there is no repercussion to them if the information is discovered to be patently false, or if the narrative has to be altered. This is on top of using them to put pressure on all who are taking part in the decision making ("a discussion has begun between counter-terrorism officers, the Crown Prosecution Service, the Foreign Office, the Home Office and the intelligence agencies"), and making it easier for those who may have objections to just go along with it, if the current narrative flies with the public.

Three of those five agencies are known to have no interest in telling the truth. And the other two have some interest in truth and in justice but only if it doesn't rock the boat of which they are a part of.

I would suggest that any police who wish to find the real culprits would be well served to investigate the source of all these "leaks", who wishes to set a particular narrative regardless of the police findings or lack of them. But they won't keep their job if they do so. And there's always what happened to DS Nick Bailey.
 
I've got a feeling that even if they were to eventually release the names, release all the evidence, piece together how they did i it, when they entered the country, where they were, images of them on CCTV in the area and then their departure immediately after then we'll still get CT types saying "oh but they're just saying that because..."
 
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/08/politics/us-state-department-russia-sanctions/index.html

The Trump administration will impose sanctions on Russia under a chemical and biological warfare law following the poisoning of a former Russian agent and his daughter in the UK earlier this year, the State Department announced Wednesday.

In a statement Wednesday, State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said the US had made this decision on Monday, and accused Russia of violating international law. The statement anticipated the sanctions would go into effect around August 22 in line with the Chemical and Biological Weapons Control and Warfare Elimination Act of 1991.
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