Former Russian double agent seriously ill in Salisbury.

Freakbro said:
Their passport numbers only had the last digit difference, xxxxxx1297 and xxxxxx1294, that would be one hell of a coincidence if they were legit ones
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Now now, you're falling for the western media propeganda aht they want the sheeple to go with.

It's entirely normal for two people to be friends and just happen to have passport numbers that are only a digit or two apart...

Back in the real world. I suspect any Russian passports in that range are probably now flagged and being checked quite carefully by all sorts of security services as if they've been daft enough to use nearly consecutive numbers for two operatives it's quite likely they had a batch of them assigned be issued for agents.

But remember.
Despite the nerve agent being of a type the Russians produced, being used against someone who is seen as a traitor by the Russians, after the Russians have already used equally easy to trace poisons in the past, and after comments about killing traitors by the Russian leadership, having two Russians tracked on CCTV entering the country, being in the area where the poisoning took place, leaving immediately after, having traces of the poison in the hotel room, it's not at all likely it's the Russians, it's the Western governments or someone at Portland Down stole/made a sampl and used it.
 
Freakbro said:
Their passport numbers only had the last digit difference, xxxxxx1297 and xxxxxx1294, that would be one hell of a coincidence if they were legit ones
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Not if they were issued at more or less the same time. Likewise re: the CCTV time stamp of them coming through the corridors at Gatwick - CT types tried to call that out, when the simple explanation is there are 4 corridors and they arrived at the same time, the screenshot is from the footage of two cameras.

The passports are likely 'genuine' passports issued by the Russian state for these two (quite possibly the other 4 yet unnamed suspects had some issued too). It isn't known yet whether the names on them are fake.

The fact it is claimed that one of the names individuals will be making a public appearance and is a civilian opens the possibility that he's perhaps a retired guy brought back for this job. I don't know how many Russians keep a current passport, it's quite possible the situation isn't to different to the US where most of the population doesn't - lots of Russians outside of the big cities are quite poor... it's mostly the richer ones who will go on holiday to Egypt, Thailand and Dubai.
 
Werewolf said:
Now now, you're falling for the western media propeganda aht they want the sheeple to go with.

It's entirely normal for two people to be friends and just happen to have passport numbers that are only a digit or two apart...

Back in the real world. I suspect any Russian passports in that range are probably now flagged and being checked quite carefully by all sorts of security services as if they've been daft enough to use nearly consecutive numbers for two operatives it's quite likely they had a batch of them assigned be issued for agents.

But remember.
Despite the nerve agent being of a type the Russians produced, being used against someone who is seen as a traitor by the Russians, after the Russians have already used equally easy to trace poisons in the past, and after comments about killing traitors by the Russian leadership, having two Russians tracked on CCTV entering the country, being in the area where the poisoning took place, leaving immediately after, having traces of the poison in the hotel room, it's not at all likely it's the Russians, it's the Western governments or someone at Portland Down stole/made a sampl and used it.
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:D

The last I heard was that one of the Russian chaps was seen on CCTV, either in Salisbury or at the airport on his return trip, with a case that he didn't appear to have when entering the country. Combined with the possibility that the fake perfume bottle was dumped some considerable time after the poisoning suggests that these two chaps aren't the full picture.
 
Werewolf said:
Now now, you're falling for the western media propeganda aht they want the sheeple to go with.

It's entirely normal for two people to be friends and just happen to have passport numbers that are only a digit or two apart...

Back in the real world
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Missed this when replying to Freakbro I think you've missed to point I was making completely.

We now know one of the suspect s intends to appear on Russian TV, this would imply that it is quite possible we actually have his real name rather than an alias.

You've focused on the passport numbers too and made some sarcastic remarks about sheeple etc... when the simple explanation could be just that they were issued the passports for this job at the same time.
 
They say hindsight is 20/20. Yet it's still strange, given Russia's alleged track record and motive, for those in charge of Skripal's security to not have placed a couple of CCTVs somewhere on his actual street (Christie Miller Road), one pointing at his front door and the second capturing all vehicles and pedestrians who walked along that road. And even stranger still, if the reports about Sergei complaining he was being followed and feeling under threat in the weeks prior to the incident are accurate, that the placing of such CCTVs was not undertaken with the utmost urgency.

I find it hard to believe there weren't any, to be honest. It's not like British intelligence would trust Sergei himself implicitly. He did betray his country of origin for money after all. They'd want to know where he went, and who visited, etc.

So either there weren't any, even in the face of a possible imminent threat. Or, there were, and footage showing the times the Skripals left or returned, and who walked to the front door etc, is not being shown to the public. Nor to Neil Basu it would seem, since he said they believe the Skripals returned home at some point.

Anyone care to suggest a good reason why CCTVs (whether overt or covert) would not have been placed there?
 
It almost seems so sloppy it can't be real. If western intelligence services were to stage it, they would have done a much cleaner job lol

Then the Russian's version of events which contradict earlier statements that these people don't exist :p
 
Danny75 said:
Anyone care to suggest a good reason why CCTVs (whether overt or covert) would not have been placed there?
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Well the simple explanation is that they prob thought there was low/no risk to him - thus he was living with his same identity in a house that is presumably in his real name etc...

I don't know that he's given any interviews so I'm not sure what you're referring to ref reports if him being followed?
 
dowie said:
Well the simple explanation is that they prob thought there was low/no risk to him - thus he was living with his same identity in a house that is presumably in his real name etc...
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And that's fair enough in addressing the general risk to him, even if that means (according to the official narrative so far) they got that very wrong indeed. It wouldn't address the seeming lack of interest in his movements and who visited him. Nor his being spooked in weeks leading to the incident and them doing nothing.


I don't know that he's given any interviews so I'm not sure what you're referring to ref reports if him being followed?
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There's been talk of it in the press every now and then. Anonymous sources stuff. But this week his friend Ross Cassidy made the same claim.


The best friend of Sergei Skripal has revealed the Russian spy suspected ‘retribution was coming’ in the weeks before he was poisoned.

Speaking for the first time, Ross Cassidy said Mr Skripal – who betrayed dozens of his old comrades to MI6 – seemed ‘spooked’ and changed his mobile phone amid concern it was being monitored.

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‘Sergei was very apprehensive. It was as though he knew something was up. Had he been tipped off or heard that things were moving against him back in Russia?

‘One thing is for sure. He was unusually twitchy. He was spooked.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...iled-eve-Novichok-attack-SECOND-spy-team.html
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Danny75 said:
And that's fair enough in addressing the general risk to him, even if that means (according to the official narrative so far) they got that very wrong indeed. It wouldn't address the seeming lack of interest in his movements and who visited him. Nor his being spooked in weeks leading to the incident and them doing nothing.
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Why wouldn't it? The claims are bit vague, we don't know what has been said by him to whomever he might be in contact with re: his resettlement in the UK. It doesn't seem like anything substantial.
 
Nasher said:
It almost seems so sloppy it can't be real. If western intelligence services were to stage it, they would have done a much cleaner job lol
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Probably planned that way to make everyone think the Russians are useless, which they are not.
If the Russians were serious about killing some one with military grade chemicals, they would be dead.
This whole thing reeks of western propaganda bull****.

Em3bbs said:
I haven't read much of the thread, but have the conspiracy theorists who were blaming the nearby chemical plant now said "Oh, whoops, yes we were completely wrong" yet?
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Conspiracy theorists usually get it right.
 
stopper said:
Probably planned that way to make everyone think the Russians are useless, which they are not.
If the Russians were serious about killing some one with military grade chemicals, they would be dead.
This whole thing reeks of western propaganda bull****.


Conspiracy theorists usually get it right.
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For the Russians it probably doesn't matter overly much if they "get it right" or not, the message is sent - betray Russia and you're never safe no matter what agreements are made.

And as for Conspiracy theorists usually being right, thanks for the laugh.
 
stopper said:
Probably planned that way to make everyone think the Russians are useless, which they are not.
If the Russians were serious about killing some one with military grade chemicals, they would be dead.
This whole thing reeks of western propaganda bull****.


Conspiracy theorists usually get it right.
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The Russians are pretty clumsy. In Syria their bombs/missiles frequently miss targets by 100s of meters. They are well known for making a hash of things.
 
Oh yes, more gold from stopper! Honestly he's my favourite delusional poster. Like every CT nutjob stereotype rolled in to one.
 
They loved the Cathedral so much they made two separate trips from London and only stayed a couple of hours both days. A bit of a tourism fail really, they could have got a much cheaper hotel in Salisbury and wouldn't have had to pay the rail fare twice.
 
The interview is frankly laughable, but it is the way of the modern world and will allow the CT cretins to have another 'evidence' point. It saddens me to see so many people in our world willing to accept the preposterous over the pretty obvious, a sign perhaps of the total lack of trust put into the channels we have had for years for our facts. It's like all bets are off, the world has changed, our government now only lies and all the people who have a history of bad are now in fact good and more trustworthy. People are happy to take 1% of data to evidence their point and ignore the 99% that refutes it, that is the world of the CT individual and the more you question the more they entrench.

Crazy.
 
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