think you need to step away from the thread....
Former Russian double agent seriously ill in Salisbury.
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think you need to step away from the thread....
They could, for example, say mass spectometry has been performed on these samples, and they are show pre-cursers/components consistant with those from those 'destroyed' stockpiles ... at the moment if you were on a jury, with the facts you know, would your verdict be guilty.
Boris, as ever, just appears smug in (Marr) interviews, did he intentionally raise the stakes with his UK had evidence that Russia, within the last 10 years comments.
It is unclear what the OPCW will pronounce/determine to confrim whether Russia is responsible ? if anything they may dilute the case by only confirming it is a Novichok.
was that just a reference to https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...s-one-of-its-own-young-princes-for-murder-fo/
seem a legitimate use of corporal punishment under AE legislation.
Equally the unfortunate suicide was apparently becasue the guy was being deported from the UK, so if anything UK unusually, acting against AE
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Whereas ALL other media outlets have no experts of any sort at all - other than Marketing executives and Telephone Sanitisers.The [...] BBC news programmes are full of so called experts, of varying calibre
well I'm not sure that really adds much... to them stating that they've tested the samples and identified the agent
I guess he perhaps did, wonder what Danny75 makes of it:
seems Boris is prepared to go a bit further than the claims re: propaganda and misdirection from that blog
I doubt it, I suspect it was a reference to the campaign in Yemen
But Boris is a known liar?
It's cute how you think when it come's to international politics there are people who tell the truth and people who lie
Not much until they present the evidence. Boris could just be doubling down, aware that plenty are sceptical.
I already know games are being played. That doesn't mean everything in the game will be untrue. A game is being played because the UK authorities had nine days to come up with "developed in Russia", the UK police are saying the investigation could take months, and then the government only gave Russia (less than) two days to track down if it came from them, AND refused to provide them samples in order to do so. The ultimatum was designed to be impossible for Russia.
Whether or not the UK cabinet had advance notice of what was to happen to Skripal, they are milking it for all it's worth. The timing of certain things is extremely interesting as well.
To be fair to StriderX, up till now and throughout Brexit (and various other affairs Boris has been involved in), Boris et al had been labelled as liars. And yet now he, and May might I add, are the nation's saviours 'Standing up to Putin'. I don't doubt the severity of the situation, but I can't help but think the government's exploiting it. It's been some time since May's been held in a positive light by the media in general. Think back the coughing episode and her approval rating then compared to now. People are fickle. Or I am overly cynical.
FWIW, those I know who are associated with the intelligence community and foreign affairs in Whitehall, all are unanimous that the finger points to Russia ...
For the record, all of them were also screaming blue murder re: Iraq (and virtually everything that followed) ... so they're certainly not people who just fall in line.
For those who don't believe that Putin would "imperil the World Cup" ... the UK government has been looking the other way as ex-pat critics of the regime drop like flies here - a ridiculous policy that emboldened the elimination strategy ... as for timing, this is immediately prior to Russian elections ... most Russians with a brain know that all these were hits, and many of the voters that UR target approve of this. Also, if the assassination is botched - as it was - and fingerprints are left, then it can be spun as anti-Russian false flag propaganda by the Kremlin ... encouraging more foolish people to vote for a 'strongman' who will stand up to these bullies and liars on the world stage.
Feeding into the last point, why do people think all the disclosures about next generation weapons systems (some of which are total fantasy) happened just before the World Cup? Hint, nothing to do with the WC. Everything to do with elections. Putin and his colleagues already have virtually all the capital (works contracts) they wanted from the WC, and domestic political capital (particularly forcing workers associated with WC projects to vote for Putin / UR or be fired and not paid) ... the international political capital - they can take or leave, Russia is already a pariah in world sport due to the state doping programme.
For the record, all of them were also screaming blue murder re: Iraq (and virtually everything that followed) ... so they're certainly not people who just fall in line.
For those who don't believe that Putin would "imperil the World Cup" ... the UK government has been looking the other way as ex-pat critics of the regime drop like flies here - a ridiculous policy that emboldened the elimination strategy ... as for timing, this is immediately prior to Russian elections ... most Russians with a brain know that all these were hits, and many of the voters that UR target approve of this. Also, if the assassination is botched - as it was - and fingerprints are left, then it can be spun as anti-Russian false flag propaganda by the Kremlin ... encouraging more foolish people to vote for a 'strongman' who will stand up to these bullies and liars on the world stage.
Feeding into the last point, why do people think all the disclosures about next generation weapons systems (some of which are total fantasy) happened just before the World Cup? Hint, nothing to do with the WC. Everything to do with elections. Putin and his colleagues already have virtually all the capital (works contracts) they wanted from the WC, and domestic political capital (particularly forcing workers associated with WC projects to vote for Putin / UR or be fired and not paid) ... the international political capital - they can take or leave, Russia is already a pariah in world sport due to the state doping programme.
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I also know someone from the intelligence community and you know what they told me? Nothing, ever, in decades, I don't even know what they do.
I assume your intelligence community friends are either idiots telling mr blabbermouth anything or you're full of S.
I assume your intelligence community friends are either idiots telling mr blabbermouth anything or you're full of S.
Everyone talks, even if they don't to you.
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Meanwhile in Russia:
As others have pointed out in this thread, i too struggle to identify the difference between our two countries.
As others have pointed out in this thread, i too struggle to identify the difference between our two countries.
well it completely undermines the claim in that blog post that is entirely based on the idea that they've very carefully chosen to use only specific words etc..etc..
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As a weightlifting fan, the entire Russian training methodolgy is based around the assumption athletes will be using drugs, and their coaches have often been reported acting with incredulity when they discover that coaches from other nations aren't turning their athletes into walking chemistry sets ("how do you expect to win?!"). They don't know how to get results any other way and seem completely indifferent about changing this, despite the sheer number of positive tests in recent Olympics leading to the IOC threatening to have the sport dropped. Worth watchign that Icarus documentary if you can.
If the NATO allies (& others) can all be convinced of Russian guilty from OPCW, then a bouycott of the Football would nonetheless be a message to the Russian public.
However the likes of the recent Wiggins/Coe etc. accusations and older Sepp Blatter corruption mean sporting events do not have the cudos they once did.
English fans should already be a bit reticent about attending, anyway (medical insurance?), I see they update travel advice
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I dont know whether May thought Boris was being put into a position where he could do no harm, but both his and Gavin Williamson behaviour, do not help UK's credibility on world stage - (other than Trump) are there other foreign countries ministers with faux pas's. ?
Murray has addressed the statement from Boris. Worth a read:
Also interesting is the FCO's reply to the allegations by Murray:
As you can see, no attempt is made to refute anything, only to obscure what Murray explained regarding it, and feign ignorance of the point he was making. Very worrying if they are sincere, that members of this forum can understand his point perfectly (even if they don't agree or disbelieve) but the FCO lacks the intelligence to do the same.
USSR actually.
Uzbekistan technically.
Several have.
One out of four ain't bad
Not particularly solid, but TBH it's good enough for me, the whole thing has Putin's MO all over it, especially as it has just turned what would have been a lacklustre election performance into a personal best for him lol.