Former Russian double agent seriously ill in Salisbury.

Trump being Trump

When President Donald Trump called Vladimir Putin on Tuesday morning, he congratulated the Russian leader on his re-election as President.

He did that in spite of the fact that he had been warned not to do so by his national security advisers -- including in briefing papers emblazoned with the words "DO NOT CONGRATULATE," according to The Washington Post.
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Trump also chose not to heed talking points from aides instructing him to condemn the recent poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain with a powerful nerve agent, a case that both the British and U.S. governments have blamed on Moscow.

The president’s conversation with Putin, which Trump described as a “very good call,” prompted fresh criticism of his muted tone toward one of the United States’ biggest geopolitical rivals amid the special counsel investigation into Russia’s election interference and the Trump campaign’s contacts with Russian officials.

Although the Trump administration has taken a tougher stance toward Russia recently — including new sanctions last week on some entities for election meddling and cyberattacks — the president has declined to forcefully join London in denouncing Moscow for the poisoning of Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in Salisbury, England, this month. They remain critically ill.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/20/politics/do-not-congratulate-trump-analysis/index.html
 
d_brennen said:
I would have thought that those in charge of many countries don't have direct control of their secret services. How far up the chain an assassination order would have to come from in Russia IDK...
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How far up the chain should a staffer go before causing a major global diplomatic incident? I guess you find out you've not sent it high enough when your tea tastes funny.
 
He is consistently the most embarrassing part of a government manned by the embarrassing.

He reminds me of the worst type of **** you meet at a party that never internalises ANYHTING before opening there mouth.

What an absolute **** show.
 
Liam O Hare on the deep connections between Cambridge Analytica’s parent company Strategic Communication Laboratories (SCL Group) and the Conservative Party and military establishment, ‘Board members include an array of Lords, Tory donors, ex-British army officers and defense contractors. This is scandal that cuts to the heart of the British establishment.’


In 2005, SCL went public with a glitzy exhibit at the DSEI conference, the UK’s largest showcase for military technology.

It’s ‘hard sell’ was a demonstration of how the UK government could use a sophisticated media campaign of mass deception to fool the British people into the thinking an accident at a chemical plant had occurred and threatened central London. Genuinely.



The organisation boasts that it has conducted “behavioral change programs” in over 60 countries and its clients have included the British Ministry of Defence, the US State Department and NATO.

A freedom of information request from August 2016, shows that the MOD has twice bought services from Strategic Communication Laboratories in recent years.

In 2010/11, the MOD paid £40,000 to SCL for the “provision of external training”. Meanwhile, in 2014/2015, it paid SCL £150,000 for the “procurement of target audience analysis”.

In addition, SCL also carries a secret clearance as a ‘list X’ contractor for the MOD. A List X site is a commercial site on British soil that is approved to hold UK government information marked as ‘confidential’ and above. Essentially, SCL got the green light to hold British government secrets on its premises.

Meanwhile, the US State Department has a contract for $500,000 with SLC. According to an official, this was to provide “research and analytical support in connection with our mission to counter terrorist propaganda and disinformation overseas.” This was not the only work that SCL has been contracted for with the US government, the source added.

In May 2015, SCL Defense, another subsidiary of the umbrella organisation, received $1 million (CAD) to support NATO operations in Eastern Europe targeting Russia.



International deception and meddling is the name of the game for SCL. We finally have the most concrete evidence yet of shadowy actors using dirty tricks in order to rig elections. But these characters aren’t operating from Moscow intelligence bunkers.

Instead, they are British, Eton educated, headquartered in the city of London and have close ties to Her Majesty’s government.


More here: https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2018/03/20/scl-a-very-british-coup/

And here: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/the-deep-state-breaks-surface/
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Copper has been discharged and is now back with family. That's great good. Less so, is the "new normality" the family now has to live with. Either that's media intrusion or long/life time effects from exposure to the nerve agent :(
 
darkgen said:
Copper has been discharged and is now back with family. That's great good. Less so, is the "new normality" the family now has to live with. Either that's media intrusion or long/life time effects from exposure to the nerve agent :(
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I'm having to assume it will be life long permanent health effects :mad:
 
Russia says it was the UK, but the logic in that is so flawed lol

Why would the UK then treat him in their own hospital after. Surely if the UK wanted him dead, he'd be dead. They wouldn't make such a public mess of it either.

Not even Russia's allies are backing them up on this one. Literally none. I'm amazed the Russian people believe such blatant lying tbh. We call our government all the time for the dumb stuff they do, but Russians seem to swallow everything their told. But then I guess our government doesn't throw critics in prison. The fact you can get 10 years for protesting against Putin says it all really.
 
The Running Man said:
Tell them to watch Icarus the documentary and then ask for their feels
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but the Wiggins and TUE scandal, not itself on insignificant scale is incrmininatory too (as Putin commented - no)

Seems crazy if May is genuinely after affirmment from the other Europeans leaders of Russia guilt, this was already not granted in the Eu leaders statement of last week,
what is the new data she will furnish them with ?
maybe she had to push it to this point, but on failure, Russia will inevitably say your Allies are not convinced of our role either.
 
I have a suspicion of late, or maybe just a thought honestly.

What if it's all China's doing, simply using Russia as the obvious and rather untouchable scapegoat? It's far more likely that it's just Russia being belligerent due to all the money they just spent on their military, but it benefits China if the West is busy wasting resources on the wrong front.

The US moved pretty much most of it's power base to the Pacific after they got bored of invading the middle-east after all (for good reasons mind you), but there's been practically no further news on Chinese developments in the South China sea, i guess they're just going to get away with "owning" it then.
 
jpaul said:
but the Wiggins and TUE scandal, not itself on insignificant scale is incrmininatory too (as Putin commented - no)

Seems crazy if May is genuinely after affirmment from the other Europeans leaders of Russia guilt, this was already not granted in the Eu leaders statement of last week,
what is the new data she will furnish them with ?
maybe she had to push it to this point, but on failure, Russia will inevitably say your Allies are not convinced of our role either.
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Difference being - so you think that the British government and mi5 were involved in helping Wiggins pass drugs tests?
 
The Running Man said:
so you think that the British government and mi5 were involved in helping Wiggins pass drugs tests?
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True,
but they need a communist strategy(vertical integration-more efficient?) for getting the results and we/uk have instead awarded tax/lottery monies or private sponsorship to the teams/Brailsford&Co that have themselves engineered the TUE solution - the international rivalry over medal count (we used to have wars and territory to fight over instead) has lost its way, and arguably monies would be better directed to improving the health of the nation and fixing the sports facilities.
 
jpaul said:
True,
but they need a communist strategy(vertical integration-more efficient?) for getting the results and we/uk have instead awarded tax/lottery monies or private sponsorship to the teams/Brailsford&Co that have themselves engineered the TUE solution - the international rivalry over medal count (we used to have wars and territory to fight over instead) has lost its way, and arguably monies would be better directed to improving the health of the nation and fixing the sports facilities.
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Yes but wen you accept that the Russian state will go to these lengths, then what are they bot capable of?

No Russian mafia is going to touch an ex spy who was part of a negotiation deal without state approval .
 
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