Former Russian double agent seriously ill in Salisbury.

[Dolph]

There was no attack on the areas controlled by Russia's defenses.
Of the 103 missiles launched, 71 were intercepted by the archaic Syrian air defense made of S-125, S-200 and Buk.

@Moses
The attack was illegal mate. There is no UNSC mandate to attack, and nobody gave to US-UK-France the powers to attack any sovereign state as they see fit.

Btw do you remember all the fuss about Homs in Syria? The US has an airbase there now, stationing B1 Lancers........
Under which international law, USA can have an airbase in a sovereign country without it's consent? They didn't took it "magically".

If you read world history of the 1930s, you will find many similarities of our actions to the Axis countries. Especially Japan and Italy.

How can there be a security Council resolution on the matter when Russia has a veto that it uses repeatedly?

It's like requiring a unanimous vote to investigate a sexual assault case when the accused's father is on the committee.

 

[Lord-Jaffa]

There doesn't necessarily have to be a UNSC mandate, as I mentioned in the earlier reply to Dowie. You're ignoring big chunks of use of force and humanitarian law jurisprudence.

If you're looking for accuracy, his location should read Moscow instead of NE Lincolnshire

 

[Panos]

They used the same one Russia used in Crimea.

Crimea is next to the Russian borders, consisting mostly by Russians, who voted to join Russia, having Russian base there since before USA ever existed even as a British colony, while the whole area was Russian until 50 years ago. And Russia didn't started a war to take Crimea.

Which nothing of these is the case of the US base at Homs.

 

[Dis86]

Crimea is next to the Russian borders, consisting mostly by Russians, who voted to join Russia, having Russian base there since before USA ever existed even as a British colony, while the whole area was Russian until 50 years ago. And Russia didn't started a war to take Crimea.

Which nothing of these is the case of the US base at Homs.

Except you're ignoring the fact it was a part of Ukraine. A sovereign country. The vote was illegal. Russias occupation illegal. It also didn't have a Russian base there, it had a base of the Russian Empire which ceased to exist in 1917. The whole area was Soviet until 50 years ago, not Russian. It was the Soviets who effectively ended the Russian Empire with a war. Someone needs to go read up on their history.
Also who cares if it's next to their borders? Does that mean the US can take Mexico? I mean they're next door...right?

 

[Panos]

How can there be a security Council resolution on the matter when Russia has a veto that it uses repeatedly?

It's like requiring a unanimous vote to investigate a sexual assault case when the accused's father is on the committee.

But UN is designed to not having someone do what they like and all must agree unanimously.

LN was dissolved because Japan, Italy and Germany wanted to do what they liked without agreeing with others. Using exactly the same rhetoric we use today.

If you're looking for accuracy, his location should read Moscow instead of NE Lincolnshire

At least doesn't have sheep.

 

[Panos]

Except you're ignoring the fact it was a part of Ukraine. A sovereign country. The vote was illegal. Russias occupation illegal. It also didn't have a Russian base there, it had a base of the Russian Empire which ceased to exist in 1917. The whole area was Soviet until 50 years ago, not Russian. It was the Soviets who effectively ended the Russian Empire with a war. Someone needs to go read up on their history.
Also who cares if it's next to their borders? Does that mean the US can take Mexico? I mean they're next door...right?

Before preaching me to read history, you should first...

 

[Dis86]

Before preaching me to read history, you should first...

So going to refute any of that?

 

[Dolph]

But UN is designed to not having someone do what they like and all must agree unanimously.

LN was dissolved because Japan, Italy and Germany wanted to do what they liked without agreeing with others. Using exactly the same rhetoric we use today.

At least doesn't have sheep.

Russia is using the veto process precisely to do what it likes and to allow its ally to do the same.

Or is it only the west your objections apply to?

 

[StriderX]

Humanitarian is just convenient as an excuse (don't get me wrong, even as an excuse, it's better than nothing), they want Assad dead, they should just bloody admit that it's the only reason they care about.

 

[jpaul]

Interesting that May (post bombing) speech, although it referenced Salisbury did not repeat assertion that Russia was responsible.

Nytimes said an English sub launched a cruise missile too, if only 7030 of the 100 missiles got through is that expected efficiency.
(did our cruise). From radio report Russians also say attack on helicopter base, which may have launched Chlorine gas attack failed

Press seem interested in suggesting Trump versus Mattis division, but an explanation here, is just that this is a ploy on their part, to suggest indecision to Russia/Syria

 

[RDM]

There was no attack on the areas controlled by Russia's defenses.
Of the 103 missiles launched, 71 were intercepted by the archaic Syrian air defense made of S-125, S-200 and Buk.

It is amazing how many Russian news sites have such detailed information about missiles launched and intercepted.

It is also amazing that so many posters that rubbish the MSM for feeding propaganda to the sheep like masses lap up the Russian propaganda like it was Gospel.

 

[jpaul]

who is MSM ooi ?

[some suggested rules to counteract propaganda

Forewarn audiences of misinformation, or merely reach them first with the truth, rather than retracting or refuting false "facts."
Prioritize efforts to counter the effects of Russian propaganda, and focus on guiding the propaganda's target audience in more productive directions.
Compete with Russian propaganda. Both the United States and NATO have the potential to prevent Russia from dominating the information environment.
Increase the flow of information that diminishes the effectiveness of propaganda, and, in the context of active hostilities, attack the means of dissemination.

]
Allies have the opportunity to counteract their narrative with facts, maybe they are not known, but I guess missiles report back.

 

[Rroff]

It is amazing how many Russian news sites have such detailed information about missiles launched and intercepted.

It is also amazing that so many posters that rubbish the MSM for feeding propaganda to the sheep like masses lap up the Russian propaganda like it was Gospel.

If it is like Russian claims for the last attack versus reality then it is probably more like 20-25 missiles interdicted by S-200 and another 10-15 by older systems and/or other methods like shot down by planes.

 

[Blackjack Davy]

There was no attack on the areas controlled by Russia's defenses.
Of the 103 missiles launched, 71 were intercepted by the archaic Syrian air defense made of S-125, S-200 and Buk.

Amazing isn't it, we're perfectly happy to bomb anyone we don't like, except Russian controlled areas are strictly off limits thats one particular war we won't get involved in. And so the proxy war instead goes on and on...

If we/russians just left them to it this war would probably have been over long ago, it might not have been an outcome we wanted with people in control we don't like very much, but it would have been over...

 

[Rroff]

If we/russians just left them to it this war would probably have been over long ago, it might not have been an outcome we wanted with people in control we don't like very much, but it would have been over...

Even without Western meddling things will keep fracturing in the ME - if that war was over it is likely a new one was just beginning.

 

[Blackjack Davy]

Even without Western meddling things will keep fracturing in the ME - if that war was over it is likely a new one was just beginning.

But they'd probably settle into some kind of normality, maybe not a normality we'd like, but it would settle. Even under Saddam Hussein Iraq was by middle eastern standards, reasonably prosperous - and stable. Then Bush decided he don't like the guy and the rest is history.

Heck even the paradise that Isis thinks it created was so reviled the people that lived under it that they'd rise up against it eventually and once the scales fell from idealistic jihadi's eyes thats its not all its cracked up to be the attacks on our soil would in all likelyhood cease in time but as usual we can't resist stirring the pot. Isis directly evolved from the chaos that was post war Iraq.

 

[Dis86]

It is amazing how many Russian news sites have such detailed information about missiles launched and intercepted.

It is also amazing that so many posters that rubbish the MSM for feeding propaganda to the sheep like masses lap up the Russian propaganda like it was Gospel.

What's quite interesting is they don't agree with the numbers published by Syria's own news channel. What's even more interesting is didn't Russia say not a single one would get through?

 

[dowie]

Even if the strikes were small, if the missiles hit home on chemical plants at least we've learnt that the Russian missile defense doesn't appear to be worth its salt.

Well that won't stop the usual CT nutters who question everything in western media from accepting any Russian/Syrian claims at face value.

 

[Rroff]

But they'd probably settle into some kind of normality, maybe not a normality we'd like, but it would settle. Even under Saddam Hussein Iraq was by middle eastern standards, reasonably prosperous - and stable. Then Bush decided he don't like the guy and the rest is history.

Heck even the paradise that Isis thinks it created was so reviled the people that lived under it that they'd rise up against it eventually and once the scales fell from idealistic jihadi's eyes thats its not all its cracked up to be the attacks on our soil would in all likelyhood cease in time but as usual we can't resist stirring the pot. Isis directly evolved from the chaos that was post war Iraq.

That is fine as long as if appearances are all that matter.

 

[StriderX]

If another war occurs after Syria is over with, then while i agree it's up to the locals own issues (Tribalism), but all these lines were drawn when Britain and France decided them in the first place. Then we were told to shut up, and the Americans took over, making Sunni Islam it's preferred market and directly pushing Wahhabi agendas. Emboldening one side was always going to cause friction.

You can't just blame it all on the locals.

It's no mistake that ISIS was Wahhabi extremism at it's worst, not that it was the desire of the west to create such an unfortunate group of people, but it indirectly did it nonetheless.