It is often overlooked that BSG style when it comes to the West and the ME "all this has happened before and will happen again" - we've been bombing the middle east with aircraft for over 100 years but that is glossing over some deep rifts within Islam itself and the tribal nature of the area - there is not a chance that the area could see real peace any time soon even if the West had never got itself involved.
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It is often overlooked that BSG style when it comes to the West and the ME "all this has happened before and will happen again" - we've been bombing the middle east with aircraft for over 100 years but that is glossing over some deep rifts within Islam itself and the tribal nature of the area - there is not a chance that the area could see real peace any time soon even if the West had never got itself involved.
Then why do we care... the place is heading for desertification and hugely inhospitable temperatures in the not too distant future, all this posturing is worthless in the face of the changing local climate.
So why doesn't the West just admit it's purely politics and be done with wasting everyone's mental faculties over the issue, if people thought the recent ~million refugees that fled the region+Africa was large, they have no god damn clue what's coming.
I guess it could all be seen as stabilising the region, but there is no way in hell there's enough time to graft some solution to bigger issues there. I'm greatly more so concerned about the lack of effort in Europe and the UK in doing nothing (even just protecting ourselves from it) about the approaching humanitarian disaster that will kill many millions more than this despot sitting in Syria will ever achieve.
So why doesn't the West just admit it's purely politics and be done with wasting everyone's mental faculties over the issue, if people thought the recent ~million refugees that fled the region+Africa was large, they have no god damn clue what's coming.
I guess it could all be seen as stabilising the region, but there is no way in hell there's enough time to graft some solution to bigger issues there. I'm greatly more so concerned about the lack of effort in Europe and the UK in doing nothing (even just protecting ourselves from it) about the approaching humanitarian disaster that will kill many millions more than this despot sitting in Syria will ever achieve.
Maybe go back to watching Sky News, to watch people like the ex-commander British forces in Iraq getting censored.
Meantime, non-ostriches will find it very interesting that the UK government has been making it look like the whole OPCW agreed on which substance it was, when they didn't.
Excellent work comrade, continue to spread the great truth of mother Russia and you shall be rewarded with many rubles
As you've been so original, I'll be equally original. Thank you sir, will you be having the usual yellowcake, or would you like to see the sexed-up menu?
Note how the messenger is being attacked because nobody has the courage to stick their neck out and refute Lavrov's announcement.
It is quite funny.. it does illustrate the CT mindset - generally question everything in mainstream media but accept at face value 'alternative' views in this case just lapping up Russian propaganda
Or rather than reading Sky News or RT you could just go directly to the OPCW?
https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/S_series/2018/en/s-1612-2018_e_.pdf
The bit to note is section 10 when the OPCW confirm the findings of the UK.
Still believe the Russians?
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I would wait until other media outlets report on it, RT does it have its own agenda in favour of Russia being run by Russia so I can understand why people would be reluctant to use it as reliable source, hopefully some impartial media outlets will be verify whether or not it's true.
I also don't know why Russia don't just declare war and have done with it because they're looking a laughing stock at the moment, Putin is looking incredibly weak on the global stage
They are weak... unless they want to go for the nuclear option which would be ridiculous in terms of escalation. They can't just declare war, in terms of a local conflict in the region/conventional campaign they're screwed. The west needs to be rather careful here and avoid Russian forces because of the rather severe consequences of a strongman leader with a smacked arse being pushed into a corner. All Russia can do at the moment is carry on with the disinformation campaign which is getting rather obvious/desperate for anyone other than the few conspiraloons who lap it all up as seen in this thread and give a bit of bluster about supposedly attacking the source of the missiles as though it would be a good idea or wouldn't prompt an immediate ass whopping if they even attempted to say go after an allied sub, US destroyer etc..
I already read the OPCW report. The elephant in the living room to note, which the Russians will be asking the OPCW about, is why the Swiss lab findings were not mentioned in the final report.
Would you care to refute that this information about the Swiss lab is accurate? Or will you more wisely wait to see?
Of course. It's an announcement that needs confirmation from the Swiss themselves. Reluctance is one thing, but cowardly attacking the messenger while not refuting the actual information is another.
The OPCW also omitted the detection of the dangerous chemical IRN-BRU by the Scottish testing lab, clearly a conspiracy going on there.
It's because you waded in with the over the top 'bombshell announcement' that supposedly 'destroys claims'.
Nothing would have been said if you'd just posted "The Russian Foreign Minister has claimed that the OPCW report left out some key findings".
The executive summary released to the public was linked above. That seems supports the UK governments position. Do you have anything to support the Russian position? Any evidence at all from an unbiased source?
What an insignificant and mild way to put it. Nah, it is most definitely a bombshell announcement given what we've been hearing from May and Johnson about the OPCW confirming the UK findings and there being "no doubt" and that is how I choose to say it.
Now that's a good question. What supports the Russian claim about the Swiss lab not concurring with the final report, is that their foreign minister, Lavrov, is a proper statesman, the direct opposite to the likes of Boris Johnson, and the trust he has earned because of this entitles him to be given the benefit of the doubt regarding the claim, because:
(1) It is something that can be easily confirmed or denied by the Swiss lab in question, and
(2) Because if it turns out not to be true (which I would accept and hence he'd lose my respect if not all of it)... it does not mean they are going to bomb someone without evidence of it.
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Now don't get me wrong I have no side in this I think it's utterly stupid what is happening and haven't a clue which side to believe
But it seems one side either Russia or the West are pushing at the other for a declaration of war, the thing I don't understand is if you're pushing for war why not just have the balls to declare it yourself instead of pushing the opposite side to breaking point ?
It makes no sense to me if you want war, just declare instead of trying to provoke the other so you can take some warped moral high ground of "defending yourself"
doesn't seem like that at all, seems like the West made sure to carefully avoid any Russian forces last night and strike very specific Syrian targets, related to chemical weapons in direct response to the chemical attack.
It makes no sense because it is a false premise.