Fuel up/down again

[TW]Fox;18221060 said:
Your post doesn't add up.



15mpg? 15mpg is prohibitively expensive to commute in regardless of the costs. What on earth do you drive that only gets 15mpg over a 20 mile drive? The obvious suggestion of buying a less exotic car might be a useful suggestion.



You have 12 years engineering expensive and the best you can do for a job is a 22k position that's 15 miles away, and thats too far so instead you'll work for £6 an hour?

Epic maths fail?

Assuming a car that does 25mpg on a longer trip it will cost you less than £188 a month to drive to work and back if you live 20 miles from work. On that £22k job you will earn £1,425.35 a year after tax and thus £1237 a month after your fuel costs, which you claim stop you doing the job.

Working 3 miles away, assuming town driving at 20mpg, you will spend £35 a month on fuel instead. But at £6 an hour in a factory you will earn only £10.8k a year. After tax this is £781 a month, after fuel costs this is barely £750 a month.

So, you are going to take a job which even taking into account the cost of fuel will leave you £500 a month after tax worse off?

I think the reason you can't take that engineering job is because you are absolutely rubbish at maths.
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Wow i bet you make friends easy. You are assuming lots and then attacking me at my maths. Typical for a forum, i expect better from a long serving member.

First of you are using total wages, not really fair when one is qoutes as per hour and the other a salary, if when work out the hours involved for the engineering job (which you dont know) and break the salary down its not so far apart. Then you add in the travelling time which i feel we would both agree is better doing something like a hobby rather than sitting in a car getting to and from work, its even closer. Then where did i say i was going to drive the 3 miles? im into cycling and running so i can save time at the gym and lots more petrol money walking/cycling to work.

Ontop of all this you have then clearly removed any cost involved with stress, unpaid overtime or extra concentration involved with an engineering job v's a factory job. To say this hold no cost isnt really right is it?

Ive worked all this out and came to my conclusion without 'missing out' as many things as you have.

If i said it worked out to £6/Hour in a factory and £7.50 in an office working your brain into a bucket would you be so harsh on me?

Life to some isnt about w:::y waving or gaining a better object then the next person, i dont want a 4 bed house at the expense of health or time to do my hobbies, some do and thats upto them.

Please dont rubbish me because you 'assume' that the way you would do it is what everyone should do.

My 15mpg car is a Range rover classic petrol V8, worth nothing to anybody but me. I cant afford to buy a new car, i dont want debt and how could i get a loan without a job? I agree my choice of car has limited my job hunting, but even if i could get a 40K job 60 miles away i wouldnt take it for the reasons above.

A good friend earns 90K a year, a massive wage for anyone but leaves home at 6 and doesnt get back until after 7. I just couldnt do that and i dont have a 1 year old child like he does. He is missing out on stuff that money cant replace later on. Its his life and its upto him, just like mine with my only debt a 50K mortgage, and lots of hobbies and toys.

Either way, im happy with my future and will always judge it. This is not an attack at you, just an explaination to why i feel you are wrong to judge so easily and then plaster it all over the forum like im an idiot (which may be right for other reasons).

Take it easy.
 
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Moorron said:
Wow i bet you make friends easy. You are assuming lots and then attacking me at my maths. Typical for a forum, i expect better from a long serving member.

First of you are using total wages, not really fair when one is qoutes as per hour and the other a salary, if when work out the hours involved for the engineering job (which you dont know) and break the salary down its not so far apart. Then you add in the travelling time which i feel we would both agree is better doing something like a hobby rather than sitting in a car getting to and from work, its even closer. Then where did i say i was going to drive the 3 miles? im into cycling and running so i can save time at the gym and lots more petrol money walking/cycling to work.

Ontop of all this you have then clearly removed any cost involved with stress, unpaid overtime or extra concentration involved with an engineering job v's a factory job. To say this hold no cost isnt really right is it?
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But this is a thread about PETROL prices and you are citing PETROL prices as a reason for doing a factory job instead.

Life to some isnt about w:::y waving or gaining a better abject then the next person, i dont want a 4 bed house at the expense of health or time to do my hobbies, some do and thats upto them.

Please dont rubbish me because you 'assume' that the way you would do it is what everyone should do.
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I rubbished what you said because you told us you were going for a £6 an hour factory job over a £22k a year job because, and I quote:

This is due to the cost of fuel
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If you've other factors in your life then great but then its hardly relevent in a thread about petrol prices is it?

A good friend earns 90K a year, a massive wage for anyone but leaves home at 6 and doesnt get back until after 7. I just couldnt do that and i dont have a 1 year old child like he does. He is missing out on stuff that money cant replace later on. Its his life and its upto him, just like mine with my only debt a 50K mortgage, and lots of hobbies and toys.
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This has what to do with petrol prices?

Either way, im happy with my future and will always judge it. This is not an attack at you, just an explaination to why i feel you are wrong to judge so easily and then plat it all over the forum like im an idiot (which may be right for other reasons).
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We judged based on what you told us. If you don't want that then don't post on the internet about how petrol prices mean you need to work in a factory for £6 an hour.
 
Cost me £70 to fill my tank, which is a record for me. Saying that I had a different car with a smaller tank last time prices were high. Sick of people telling me I should have stuck with diesel :(
 
Grad said:
Cost me £70 to fill my tank, which is a record for me. Saying that I had a different car with a smaller tank last time prices were high. Sick of people telling me I should have stuck with diesel :(
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Do they think diesel hasn't gone up in price or something?
 
Moorron said:
If i said it worked out to £6/Hour in a factory and £7.50 in an office working your brain into a bucket would you be so harsh on me?
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Yes. Both will turn out to be mind numbingly boring, but one allows you to earn a little bit more money for you to spend on pointless crap to make yourself feel better :D.
 
[TW]Fox;18223431 said:
Do they think diesel hasn't gone up in price or something?
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Its the usual uneducated nonsense. Forget running costs, original purchase price etc "DIESEL IS MORE EECONOMICHAL!!". I just nod and sometimes manage a smile.
 
Paid £1.36 today for V Power, £50 to fill up and that got me ~225 to the tank so around 28mpg? Not bad for the performance and mix of town driving/country lanes :)

Neil.
 
Berger said:
I think it is, seems the tanks quoted as 60L on parkers, but pretty sure you can get more in than that as it must go up the filler neck too. (Parkers also thinks it takes 8.5 seconds to get to 60!)

Filled it up tonight, cost me £76 for 56L at Tesco using their 99 Momentum.

Cruising at 30 in 6th maxxing my MPGZ YOOO! ;)
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Is that just a standard '6?

What sort of MPG are you getting from it?
 
[TW]Fox;18223334 said:
But this is a thread about PETROL prices and you are citing PETROL prices as a reason for doing a factory job instead.



I rubbished what you said because you told us you were going for a £6 an hour factory job over a £22k a year job because, and I quote:



If you've other factors in your life then great but then its hardly relevent in a thread about petrol prices is it?



This has what to do with petrol prices?



We judged based on what you told us. If you don't want that then don't post on the internet about how petrol prices mean you need to work in a factory for £6 an hour.
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yet again its assuming a lot. I stated my reasons in my original post, then tried to explain it above, you have ingored most of them and just picked the ones that prop up your side. If this is the case then lets stop 99% of posts on the internet for going off the topic title or not keeping with the it exactly. The petrol price was a large factor in my reason to look at factory work, it wasnt the only one but i listed them on here, i could have just posted the reason as petrol prices, leaving out any other information but i feel this is unfair as many would assume it as the whole story, just like you did on my original post when ignoring other info and then making the rest up yourself.

I know you wont or cant leave this, it will turn into a tassle over the net which isnt what i want. What i cant take is abuse for something so petty when i feel i did nothing wrong.

I was trying to explain that people are already making changes to thier professional life due to the price of petrol. I feel i did this not from what ive read or heard but my own opinion on my own life.

I could easily post reasons for your posts (against me) v's the topic title which arnt right. But its just going to go down hill quickly.
 
Moorron said:
yet again its assuming a lot.
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It's a thread about petrol prices. You replied to post asking about how the high petrol prices were affecting people.

I was trying to explain that people are already making changes to thier professional life due to the price of petrol. I feel i did this not from what ive read or heard but my own opinion on my own life.
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You told us you had to take a £6 an hour job because of petrol prices, got a load of confused replies, then you later told us actually it wasnt so much the petrol price, more your work life balance, how boring you found office work, and so on and so forth. ie things completely unrelated to either petrol prices or motoring!

The fact you continue to be suprised just astounds me.

Sorry but it still doesnt add up. How many actual engineering jobs only pay £22k anyway? How many engineers would be happy to work in a factory for 6 quid an hour? Thats 10k a year!

I don't know any qualified engineers with 12 years experience who only earn £22k.

I just dont understand why you'd tell us about your job woes in a petrol price thread, blame it all on petrol prices, then when we go 'eh?' you have a whinge and say it wasnt really just the petrol :confused:
 
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[TW]Fox;18223626 said:
Sorry but it still doesnt add up. How many actual engineering jobs only pay £22k anyway? How many engineers would be happy to work in a factory for 6 quid an hour? Thats 10k a year!

I don't know any qualified engineers with 12 years experience who only earn £22k.

I just dont understand why you'd tell us about your job woes in a petrol price thread, blame it all on petrol prices, then when we go 'eh?' you have a whinge and say it wasnt really just the petrol :confused:
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I'm a 22 year old "systems engineer" (what a horribly vague and crap title, I'm not an engineer i just work for an engineering company lol) and earn more than that, in Oldham, with no qualifications and no real industry experience in what I do
 
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