Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

AthlonXP1800 · 12 Dec 2018 at 14:37

DarrenM343 · 12 Dec 2018 at 14:56

Yeah, new driver available adding DLSS to Final Fantasy XV

. Don't have the game myself

AMDPower · 12 Dec 2018 at 14:56

AthlonXP1800 said:

whats point of this comparison, nvidia trying to make 1080ti look bad?

DarrenM343 · 12 Dec 2018 at 15:01

AMDPower said:
whats point of this comparison, nvidia trying to make 1080ti look bad?

The 2080 Ti look better than it initially appears

. I'd like to see more comparisons - I wouldn';t be surprised if a 2070 now outperforms a 1080 Ti in that game @ 4K.
But does anyone still play that game? Not played any of the series myself and no idea if it's still popular.

ljt · 12 Dec 2018 at 15:16

Now run the 1080Ti @ 1800p and see how it compares (this apparently is what DLSS looks/performs like according to HU), because DLSS on the 2070 means its not actually rendering at 4k, its 1440p with "special sauce" upscaling

DarrenM343 · 12 Dec 2018 at 15:22

ljt said:
Now run the 1080Ti @ 1800p and see how it compares (this apparently is what DLSS looks/performs like according to HU), because DLSS on the 2070 means its not actually rendering at 4k, its 1440p with "special sauce" upscaling

Yep, but upscaling that's difficult to spot the difference using and gives a huge jump in performance. GPU's still struggle at 4K native and 8K is on the way

. I reckon few would notice the difference unless they're purposely looking for it.

ljt · 12 Dec 2018 at 15:40

DarrenM343 said:
Yep, but upscaling that's difficult to spot the difference using and gives a huge jump in performance. GPU's still struggle at 4K native and 8K is on the way . I reckon few would notice the difference unless they're purposely looking for it.

I don't disagree, but equally I bet running @ 1800p on the 1080ti you'd find it hard to tell the difference between that and full 4k too.

The video is basically true 4k vs fake 4k, so not really a fair comparison. HU said that 4k dlss looked identical to native 1800p on a none DLSS capable card, and performed similarly too.

kevman · 12 Dec 2018 at 15:44

So does DLSS only work in 4k then?

DarrenM343 · 12 Dec 2018 at 15:51

ljt said:
I don't disagree, but equally I bet running @ 1800p on the 1080ti you'd find it hard to tell the difference between that and full 4k too.

The video is basically true 4k vs fake 4k, so not really a fair comparison. HU said that 4k dlss looked identical to native 1800p on a none DLSS capable card, and performed similarly too.

Course it's a fair comparison - it's a new feature that old cards simply can't do. It's like saying comparing a turbo car to a normally aspirated one isn't fair too

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Plonk someone who doesn't care about the tech in front of two PC;s for an hour and I bet they wouldn't be able to spot any difference in image quality between DLSS and without. It's not just upscaling apparently either, there;s some tech going on to improve the image I believe.

kevman said:
So does DLSS only work in 4k then?

Should work at 1440P is my understanding. Downloading the demo now to give it a try.

AMDPower · 12 Dec 2018 at 15:56

DarrenM343 said:
Course it's a fair comparison - it's a new feature that old cards simply can't do. It's like saying comparing a turbo car to a normally aspirated one isn't fair too .

Should work at 1440P is my understanding. Downloading the demo now to give it a try.

But to get a fair comparison they need to put the 1080TI @ 1800 and i promise you the difference is not as big as that video suggests. This is just NVIDIA marketing deliberately skewing the results.

DarrenM343 · 12 Dec 2018 at 16:01

AMDPower said:
But to get a fair comparison they need to put the 1080TI @ 1800 and i promise you the difference is not as big as that video suggests. This is just NVIDIA marketing deliberately skewing the results.

Fair enough would be good if someone could give it a try? I don't understand the 1800P figure, I mean if that;s the case then why are people trying to run 4K natively and not 1800P? Are we going on one persons word? THink we need to get a wider opinion before assuming.
Putting 1800P aside for now, the comparison is still valid. Set each to 4K and that's what you get.

ljt · 12 Dec 2018 at 16:12

DarrenM343 said:
Fair enough would be good if someone could give it a try? I don't understand the 1800P figure, I mean if that;s the case then why are people trying to run 4K natively and not 1800P? Are we going on one persons word? THink we need to get a wider opinion before assuming.
Putting 1800P aside for now, the comparison is still valid tho. Set each to 4K and that's what you get. The results are valid tho - set 4K on each and that;s what you get.

The 1800p came from the Hardware unboxed testing of DLSS. They used a 1080ti vs 2080 I believe, and after testing came to conclusion that the 2080 with 4k dlss (basically using a 1440p base image to work its magic on) looked exactly the same as a native 1800p image from the 1080ti, and performed near identical too.

Personally I don't understand why Nvidia didn't just use the die space used on the cores for the dlss, on normal rasterization cores to make the cards easily capable of native 4k and above. All that extra space could have made a 2070 easily capable of native 4k 60, meaning the 2080/Ti would be able to run a lot faster too. That way it would have worked straight out of the box, on any game, past, present or future, without the need for it to be specifically coded for by devs and NVidia.

Gerard · 12 Dec 2018 at 16:46

Gregster said:
Ouch.... £200 more than what it should be (and other places)

Another place has that utter TURD aorus xtreme (air cooled) card in for £1700.

Needless to say retailers are reaping the benefits of this, getting hundreds more per card than they should. Farce really.

DarrenM343 · 12 Dec 2018 at 16:56

Oh well, using the playable demo downloaded via Windows Store I don't see a DLSS graphics option. Maybe because I'm not using 4K or it's not in the demo.

Gregster · 12 Dec 2018 at 22:00

AthlonXP1800 said:

Surely I am not the only one who feels the DLSS image is better?

Sh4rkie · 12 Dec 2018 at 22:27

A quick question, looking at the 2080ti MSI Trio vs MSI Trio X the only difference between the cards seems to be the default overclock or am i missing something?

Gerard · 12 Dec 2018 at 22:45

Sh4rkie said:
A quick question, looking at the 2080ti MSI Trio vs MSI Trio X the only difference between the cards seems to be the default overclock or am i missing something?

That's the only difference as far as i can see. Pretty fugly looking card though, imo the duke looks much better. The trio also require 3 pcie cables for some unknown reason.

Sh4rkie · 12 Dec 2018 at 23:38

Gerard said:
That's the only difference as far as i can see. Pretty fugly looking card though, imo the duke looks much better. The trio also require 3 pcie cables for some unknown reason.

Cheers, buildzoid had thoughts on the extra power connector;

https://youtu.be/V70f1Kx0QTU?t=1822

cadmunkey · 13 Dec 2018 at 10:06

Gregster said:
Surely I am not the only one who feels the DLSS image is better?

No, I think most people would agree with your opinion. Certainly looks better in that demo, a lot sharper clarity.

bru · 13 Dec 2018 at 11:34

Gregster said:
Surely I am not the only one who feels the DLSS image is better?

cadmunkey said:
No, I think most people would agree with your opinion. Certainly looks better in that demo, a lot sharper clarity.

But it cannot be, it's not allowed, we cannot have an NVidia technology actually working as they said it would, that would give the money grabbing stewards an advantage that "Glory be to AMD" doesn't have and we can't have that.
It will mean the upcoming Vega2 that isn't going to be made because it a compute card god dammit, will be even further behind.
Who cares for thsee technologies that improve performance and make games look better anyway. Long live Polaris the 5th or whatever iteration of it it is.