Golf R

It's not special enough for £40k fanboys, THAT is my point. I said it was good, NOT 40k good as it's foundations are mundane, for they are. Argue until you are blue in the face.
 
Close with sensible options, crazy when it's hardly bespoke, which is not the same as small supply, well unless you fall for marketing.
 
Housey said:
It's not special enough for £40k fanboys, THAT is my point. I said it was good, NOT 40k good as it's foundations are mundane, for they are. Argue until you are blue in the face.
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Fine. But you still haven't actually said what's mundane about an R20 Golf.

'it's foundations are mundane, for they are. Argue until you are blue in the face.'

If you think of it in terms of a discussion rather than an argument, you might keep things factual and sensible rather than simply repeating 'fanboy' and 'mundane'.

Chassis? Sportier Golfs have always handled extremely well so I doubt they'll have taken a backwards step with this one.

Engine? Just because it's not a 6 pot basically. It will crap all over most 6 pots on the road.

Parts bin? As said above, VW aren't the first to share parts between marques.

Dash and interior? Just how exciting can a dashboard be anyway? The R20's interior looks lovely to me and is everything I want it to be - clean, unfussy, smart, and of good fit and finish.

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Obviously we'll never agree so I'll finish by saying that it's not a mundane car, unless perhaps your name is Evel Knievel. It's ridiculous and immature to call it mundane just because it has the letters G-o-l-f on its shell.
 
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The ED30 GTi is an S3 with a different badge! They both have the same engine and the Golf is better spec'ed and has a nicer interior. The S3 on the other hand just looks like an Audi with added bling. The GTi will always be the best hot hatch interms of build quality and image.
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Well, except the different turbo and mapping, the different power outputs (if you are going to cite rolling road figures as evidence that the ED30 overperforms to the S3's book level, the S3 overperforms so it still isn't equivilent), the lack of 4WD and so on... Yeah, exactly the same :rolleyes:

The two cars are similar, but they are not the same car. The Golf R is closer, and the engine in the R (pending rolling road figures) is booked at the same figure as most S3's put out, so I'd expect that does have the same/very similar engine, and it has the 4WD. It's also about the same cost with (likely by history) a slightly worse resale.

Don't take this as a criticism of VW, it isn't, but if you're going to make arguments about the similarities, at least get them right.
 
Robbie I think you protest too much. What car do you drive may I ask, I have no idea and I feel it's useful to understand where you are coming from, nothing more, as something to me may be mundane but to you might be epic, ever thought of that?

So the engine is used across the range then, Audi, Skoda, Seat all use a flavour of it, maybe running different maps but sod all else. Hardly the foundations of a legend really, nice lump for sure, but simple a 2l 4 pot with a turbo, so hardly spine tingling would you agree? I had one in my GTi less you forget, also drove an ED30 with 300ish but again hardly epic. Quick yes, special well no.

So the foundations then, well they're are a Golf, a good car but in base spec VERY mundane. Sure they've spruced it up a little, made it look nice and handle well but so Ford, so did Renault and so have many others. Difference is they are somewhat less to own and though I expect this R to be a cracking car, I repeat that because you only want to focus on my use of the word mundane without the conext, I suggest at close to 40k with SatNav, 5 doors, 19's, phone prep, nice paint and a few smaller options it's VERY expensive for what is a mundane car with some go quick mods. I paid 41k for
a brand new M3 in 2002 for example and though I know how inflation works it's a stark example of what I mean. That had at the time one of the greatest engines on the planet, was very quick and was not a platform share, so I couldn't get 90% the same car for less. I repeat I like Sporty Golfs, I've paid money for them but at close to 40k
it's mad money for what is a nice but nothing special over the competition car.

Enough now, we are probably in agreement about the car, not about it's price or my use of mundane but then we probably have different interpretations of the word based on where we are coming from. ;)
 
Heh, the R20 wheel is almost identical in design to that of the VXR.

I'm a huge fan of the Golf GTI, which was lost for a long time since buying a MK3, which was quickly replaced with a Corrado VR6; my fancy for them coming back with the MK5 GTI, and it was in fact a GTI I wanted when making my car purchase earlier in the year, but they are simply too much money, the base GTI is probably one of the most expensive of the hot hatches, and the R20 takes the ****.

I would love an R20, I just couldn't spend £35k on one. It'll be interesting to see how the residuals hold out, it may become on option when 1 year old examples start hitting the market.
 
I think the bottom line is, and certainly for me, no one wants to pay 35k+ for a Golf. It just doesnt make sense, before anyone starts ive still got an R32 that ive had from new!
 
Housey said:
What car do you drive may I ask, I have no idea and I feel it's useful to understand where you are coming from, nothing more, as something to me may be mundane but to you might be epic, ever thought of that?

So the engine is used across the range then, Audi, Skoda, Seat all use a flavour of it, maybe running different maps but sod all else. Hardly the foundations of a legend really, nice lump for sure, but simple a 2l 4 pot with a turbo, so hardly spine tingling would you agree? I had one in my GTi less you forget, also drove an ED30 with 300ish but again hardly epic. Quick yes, special well no.

So the foundations then, well they're are a Golf, a good car but in base spec VERY mundane. Sure they've spruced it up a little, made it look nice and handle well but so Ford, so did Renault and so have many others. Difference is they are somewhat less to own and though I expect this R to be a cracking car, I repeat that because you only want to focus on my use of the word mundane without the conext, I suggest at close to 40k with SatNav, 5 doors, 19's, phone prep, nice paint and a few smaller options it's VERY expensive for what is a mundane car with some go quick mods. I paid 41k for
a brand new M3 in 2002 for example and though I know how inflation works it's a stark example of what I mean. That had at the time one of the greatest engines on the planet, was very quick and was not a platform share, so I couldn't get 90% the same car for less. I repeat I like Sporty Golfs, I've paid money for them but at close to 40k
it's mad money for what is a nice but nothing special over the competition car.

Enough now, we are probably in agreement about the car, not about it's price or my use of mundane but then we probably have different interpretations of the word based on where we are coming from. ;)
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I agree that the use of the word mundane is relative and subjective, but it's still not a word I'd personally level at the R20, and why are you comparing it to an M3 which is twice as much in base spec going by today's money? R20 prices start from £28,930. Surely you should be comparing it to cars costing £30k+ from brand new?

To answer your question I drive a VW Golf MkVI GT, 1.4 TSi petrol DSG, so you would be right in saying that compared to my car, an R20 is the most exciting thing in the world.

I agree that £40k is ludicrous money for such a car. I can't imagine many paying that apart from the most dedicated and wealthy 'fanboy'.

I wish that they'd stuck an extraordinary engine in it rather than a 2l turbo. 270 bhp for a £29k+ hatchback? Not really good enough, even with 4wd.

I wonder if second hand R32 prices have gone up since the announcement that they were releasing an 'R' car with a 2l 4 pot. Very disappointing :(.
 
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that's a 40k car - look at it!
vw are pushing the boundaries again here. ford and vauxhall simply cannot compete. people will buy a golf with this sort of spec, if i had the cash i would too!
 
personally think you wil be disappointed. when i bought a new Golf R32 (IV) i was told theyre limited edition bla bla they will be realy rare. still dropped loads in value though!:p and to me the car was not worth the £28.5k thankfully i had a discount but either way it never suggested to me in the way it performed/image etc it justfied it IMO. i think you might feel the same after youve had it for a few days! after all its still a humble VW Golf :)
 
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