Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [12 - 16th January 2013]
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Doesn't make your point any less ridiculous. Welbeck was picked today to put pressure on the Liverpool defence when they tried to play the ball out and force mistakes which he did with aplomb. He contributed well in and around the area and worked hard all game. Yes, he should have done better with the couple of chances he got, but then so should have RvP.
There were plenty of players that had worse games than Welbeck but the fact that people on here constantly single him out for criticism regardless of his performance makes me laugh.
He looks like a defender that's wandered too far forward when he actually gets the ball in the final third, his finishing and decision making are hilariously poor for a supposed top striker imo. He does a job and works very hard defensively, which is useful in tough games, but on the ball he is embarrassing.
No there were not, not for united, statistically he was Uniteds 3rd weakest outfield player, and their weakest regular starter across the season so far according to:
http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/32
17th best player for united this year, with only long term injured/ pensioners contributing less across the season so far.
So actually, I'm making an excellent point, with like actual stats to back it up and all.
He's garbage.
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Erm Kagawa? Valencia?
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Bwahaha, you're embarrassing yourself now. Tell me, what did Kagawa do today? Valencia? Young? Jones?
Literally no idea why you're so desperate for him to fail.
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Arsenal, lol, same old crap over and over. Walcott, non existant, lazy, barely closed down, made one tackle when going for the ball in the air, was offside so didn't matter. One real shot, I'm actually not convinced it was going in as Kompany(or lescott, forget which) cleared that but he was actually way off the line, think it was going wide.
HE can't lead the line, anyone who thought he could play lone striker is mental, years ago we had the odd game in cups with Bendtner or RVP with Vela or Theo ahead of them and it looked not bad, never in the league and lone striker with a guy who won't fight, won't close down, won't work, won't show himself for the ball and only looks to run in behind? After moving to the wing again did almost nothing.
Sagna, one of his better games, still crap, Gibbs, terrible, defence, terrible, Santi... absolutely abysmal, some woeful crossing, woeful passing, misplaced the ball, created basically nothing, didn't work well defensively, Podolski, closer to getting sent off for elbows and slaps than doing much useful.. Diaby, lol.
For all that, City were poor, the sheer number of times there were two or three City players who broke beyond our defend with maybe Verm on his own and they failed to find the pass or absolutely screwed up the shot was hilarious. There must have been at least 4 ridiculously good chances to score with 2 on 1's, 3 on 1's, Tevez with the easiest and they fluffed them all. We should have been 5/6-0 before the Kompany red which was a joke, and we'd never have put them under any real pressure being that far back at that point. City left the door wide open with a pretty terrible performance(utter domination, brilliant chances, abysmal final pass/shot/cross mostly) and we still never looked like scoring with the pressure we had in the final 10-15.
I can't stand watching Arsenal with Walcott playing, he's the single laziest player I can ever remember playing at Arsenal, he offers nothing, he has "one" thing he does, the Henry style inside of right foot, curl to far corner shot, every freekick is crap and the same, most of his shots he tries the same thing, he's so painfully one dimensional, not only is Wenger trying to give him 90k+ a week to stay, he's handing him a starting role upfront that has made the team clearly worse.
Lone striker, you want a Drogba, he'll drop deep, hold it up and play others in, or get on the end of a long ball, 9/10 times he does something useful. Walcott plays off the shoulder, he almost never comes deep to pick up the ball and get involved but that also means the team has no one to work with AND the defence has it insanely easy as he's the most predictable player in the league. He doesn't make runs to drag players out of position to make space for others, its all about him. Podolski made one of our better chances and Walcott ran into his space dragging the entire defence with him making it almost impossible to do anything.
HE can't lead the line, anyone who thought he could play lone striker is mental, years ago we had the odd game in cups with Bendtner or RVP with Vela or Theo ahead of them and it looked not bad, never in the league and lone striker with a guy who won't fight, won't close down, won't work, won't show himself for the ball and only looks to run in behind? After moving to the wing again did almost nothing.
Sagna, one of his better games, still crap, Gibbs, terrible, defence, terrible, Santi... absolutely abysmal, some woeful crossing, woeful passing, misplaced the ball, created basically nothing, didn't work well defensively, Podolski, closer to getting sent off for elbows and slaps than doing much useful.. Diaby, lol.
For all that, City were poor, the sheer number of times there were two or three City players who broke beyond our defend with maybe Verm on his own and they failed to find the pass or absolutely screwed up the shot was hilarious. There must have been at least 4 ridiculously good chances to score with 2 on 1's, 3 on 1's, Tevez with the easiest and they fluffed them all. We should have been 5/6-0 before the Kompany red which was a joke, and we'd never have put them under any real pressure being that far back at that point. City left the door wide open with a pretty terrible performance(utter domination, brilliant chances, abysmal final pass/shot/cross mostly) and we still never looked like scoring with the pressure we had in the final 10-15.
I can't stand watching Arsenal with Walcott playing, he's the single laziest player I can ever remember playing at Arsenal, he offers nothing, he has "one" thing he does, the Henry style inside of right foot, curl to far corner shot, every freekick is crap and the same, most of his shots he tries the same thing, he's so painfully one dimensional, not only is Wenger trying to give him 90k+ a week to stay, he's handing him a starting role upfront that has made the team clearly worse.
Lone striker, you want a Drogba, he'll drop deep, hold it up and play others in, or get on the end of a long ball, 9/10 times he does something useful. Walcott plays off the shoulder, he almost never comes deep to pick up the ball and get involved but that also means the team has no one to work with AND the defence has it insanely easy as he's the most predictable player in the league. He doesn't make runs to drag players out of position to make space for others, its all about him. Podolski made one of our better chances and Walcott ran into his space dragging the entire defence with him making it almost impossible to do anything.
a good and fair assessment. one would be harsh to knock his energy and enthusiasm but there's no composure and he seems to get a little excited. i can't see him being a long term united player.
the only reason he is a supposed top striker is because he's part of uniteds attack force. stick him upfront for arsenal or city and he'd look utterly ridiculous.
he'd be a stand out player at wba, sunderland, wigan etc
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Kagawa was good today 
I thought his passing and movement were very good (especially as he was having to play out of position a fair amount) It was only when he came off that we really fell apart and gave up all pretence of trying to keep the ball.
I thought his passing and movement were very good (especially as he was having to play out of position a fair amount) It was only when he came off that we really fell apart and gave up all pretence of trying to keep the ball.Kagawa was good today
Disagree with just about every single word of that
Specifically this playing him out of position stuff, surely Kagawa has shown by now that at the moment he simply doesn't have the strength to play in his perceived favoured position? Not to mention my understanding is he plays wide on the left for Japan pretty much all the time
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Are you just ignoring the fact he's played in his 'favoured position' for Dortmund, with great success?
I know he hasn't done massively well so far, but he's not had a good run of games and he's been injured. Give him a chance at least.
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Stats aren't the be all and end all and seeing that site rates Valencia, who has been garbage this season, over someone like Cleverley says it all.
You're entitled to your opinion but it is too one dimensional for me to take seriously.
Kagawa was good today
I was surprised he started on the left but he linked the game up well. You can see why Fergie went for a player like him to have in midfield. He has a lot of time on the ball and keeps it well. Although you could see he tired a lot before coming off.
Agree with the above
God I'm fed up of this give him a chance stuff, Have I said sell him? Have I said he wont come good eventually? All I'm doing is calling it like it is, or am I not allowed to do that because he's a new signing?
So far he's been crap. He was crap before the injury, he's been crap since the injury. We've played him in his preferred position of off the striker, we've played him in a 3 man midfield, we've played him in a two man midfield and we've played him wide on the left and so far he's been largely crap in every single one of them. Like I said prior to kick off today I challenge anyone to tell me a game where he's been more good than bad?