Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [12 - 16th January 2013]

i went to the emirates yesterday and was gutted about the result. we was all fuming with the ref which looked like two dodgy decisions leading up to the pen and one from city's first goal.

Not easy without watching replays and i can understand when managers dont see incidents.

i saw the replay on motn and definetly was a pen. what was Kos doing? he did not need to do that at all
 
Arsenal, lol, same old crap over and over. Walcott, non existant, lazy, barely closed down, made one tackle when going for the ball in the air, was offside so didn't matter. One real shot, I'm actually not convinced it was going in as Kompany(or lescott, forget which) cleared that but he was actually way off the line, think it was going wide.

HE can't lead the line, anyone who thought he could play lone striker is mental, years ago we had the odd game in cups with Bendtner or RVP with Vela or Theo ahead of them and it looked not bad, never in the league and lone striker with a guy who won't fight, won't close down, won't work, won't show himself for the ball and only looks to run in behind? After moving to the wing again did almost nothing.

Sagna, one of his better games, still crap, Gibbs, terrible, defence, terrible, Santi... absolutely abysmal, some woeful crossing, woeful passing, misplaced the ball, created basically nothing, didn't work well defensively, Podolski, closer to getting sent off for elbows and slaps than doing much useful.. Diaby, lol.

For all that, City were poor, the sheer number of times there were two or three City players who broke beyond our defend with maybe Verm on his own and they failed to find the pass or absolutely screwed up the shot was hilarious. There must have been at least 4 ridiculously good chances to score with 2 on 1's, 3 on 1's, Tevez with the easiest and they fluffed them all. We should have been 5/6-0 before the Kompany red which was a joke, and we'd never have put them under any real pressure being that far back at that point. City left the door wide open with a pretty terrible performance(utter domination, brilliant chances, abysmal final pass/shot/cross mostly) and we still never looked like scoring with the pressure we had in the final 10-15.

I can't stand watching Arsenal with Walcott playing, he's the single laziest player I can ever remember playing at Arsenal, he offers nothing, he has "one" thing he does, the Henry style inside of right foot, curl to far corner shot, every freekick is crap and the same, most of his shots he tries the same thing, he's so painfully one dimensional, not only is Wenger trying to give him 90k+ a week to stay, he's handing him a starting role upfront that has made the team clearly worse.

Lone striker, you want a Drogba, he'll drop deep, hold it up and play others in, or get on the end of a long ball, 9/10 times he does something useful. Walcott plays off the shoulder, he almost never comes deep to pick up the ball and get involved but that also means the team has no one to work with AND the defence has it insanely easy as he's the most predictable player in the league. He doesn't make runs to drag players out of position to make space for others, its all about him. Podolski made one of our better chances and Walcott ran into his space dragging the entire defence with him making it almost impossible to do anything.


Agreed. hench i dont want arsenal to offer him 100k lol sod off walcott u wont be missed
 
I thought it was a defo pen but didn't think it warranted a red. Kompany's sending off was bizaare to say the least.

Wenger should have taken Podolski off when we went down to 10, think we needed the Ox's workrate. Overall we played quite well considering and i thought Wilshere was our MOTM. Diaby was shocking though. I know he's just back from injury but he won't have long to improve before he gets injured again. Surely Wenger can't see him and Rosicky as the answer.

I like Walcott, think we should try and keep him, he is far better than any alternatives on the right side and offers something different down the middle. He should never take free kicks, penalties or corners though. Cazorla, Arteta and Podolski should always take one before him!
 
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How can rugby tackling someone in the six yard box not be deemed denying a goal scoring opportunity? It spoiled the game but I don't think you can argue the decision.

Has anyone got a gif or video of Wisdom's alleged foul on Kagawa in the first half? I don't even remember that happening.
 
Because he wouldn't have got the ball, the player behind (forget who it was) was closer and Chesney beat him to the ball.
 
I thought it was a defo pen but didn't think it warranted a red. Kompany's sending off was bizaare to say the least.

Wenger should have taken Podolski off when we went down to 10, think we needed the Ox's workrate. Overall we played quite well considering and i thought Wilshere was our MOTM. Diaby was shocking though. I know he's just back from injury but he won't have long to improve before he gets injured again. Surely Wenger can't see him and Rosicky as the answer.

I like Walcott, think we should try and keep him, he is far better than any alternatives on the right side and offers something different down the middle. He should never take free kicks, penalties or corners though. Cazorla, Arteta and Podolski should always take one before him!

lol, Walcott should have come off, he can't lead the line 11 vs 11, he's a lazy arse at the best of times, when you've got a man down a lazy person upfront is the single least useful thing you can have.

We shouldn't try to keep him, he isn't in the best 5 options we have down the right, HE DOESN'T WORK, at all, he puts in zero help defensively. While Jenks is better than Sagna, don't ignore the fact that Jenks and Sagna look improved(less vunerable) with AOC playing right than Walcott, because one of them actually tracks back, one of them has a brain and one of them has neither. Offers something different down the middle, again, no, no he doesn't.

Drogba offers something different down the middle, few players in the world can bully defenders like he can. Walcott... playing on the shoulder trying to get in behind, EVERY striker in the entire world can do this, this isn't unique or brilliant. The most important thing is because this is the ONLY thing he tried to do for 90 minutes, it was the only thing both CB's were looking for. Not once did he come 10 yards deeper show for the ball get it and then do anything with it, turn and run behind in the gap you just made pulling a defender out of position, pass in someone else to run into that space, pass back to midfield. He did nothing for 90 minutes, he made it incredibly easy to defend against and we created almost no real chances.

Variety in your play makes every aspect easier, because you have more chances to run in behind if the defender doesn't know thats what you're going to do, his timing is also woeful. Walcott offers exactly nothing that any non league striker can't offer, one dimensional crap.

For the record, Sagna, Arshavin, Rosicky, Bendtner, Diaby, Ramsey(defensively), AOC, Wilshire, Arteta, and Jenkinson could all offer more than Walcott does down the right. We have loads of players who are simple better footballers, and a bunch of players who aren't really any better, but at least try and don't run away from the people who might tackle him.
 
There are plenty of idiots and it is sad but I wouldn't let it spoil your whole experience, the atmosphere was still good minus the idiotic chants.

Welbeck is a bit like the reverse Hernandez from a couple of years ago, Champions League outside the box and Championship inside it. A lot of the time his brain and feet don't seem to be connected properly. However, by all accounts he works very hard in training and you can't not improve with Rooney, van Persie and Hernandez around. He is just suffering classic second season syndrome at the moment, he either needs to get a goal and get back into form or just have a summer off. I've no doubt he will come good for us.

hahahahaha, you do know players in the championship can actually score goals despite being in the championship.

Welbeck, champions league outside and championship inside... wow.

At best, I mean being really generous about him, he's league 2 inside the box and league 1 outside of it. His interplay was all terrible, he's Gervinho for all intents and purposes, he can run it down the wing with sheer brute force, but he can't do anything at all with the ball when he gets there. Champions league outside the box, lol.

Theres also no second season syndrome, not least because its not his second season, and because he was completely crap last year, and the year before.
 
There are plenty of idiots and it is sad but I wouldn't let it spoil your whole experience, the atmosphere was still good minus the idiotic chants.

Been to quite a few Utd Liverpool games over the years and I thought yesterday was nowhere near as bad as it has been for many a year
 
lol, Walcott should have come off, he can't lead the line 11 vs 11, he's a lazy arse at the best of times, when you've got a man down a lazy person upfront is the single least useful thing you can have.

We shouldn't try to keep him, he isn't in the best 5 options we have down the right, HE DOESN'T WORK, at all, he puts in zero help defensively. While Jenks is better than Sagna, don't ignore the fact that Jenks and Sagna look improved(less vunerable) with AOC playing right than Walcott, because one of them actually tracks back, one of them has a brain and one of them has neither. Offers something different down the middle, again, no, no he doesn't.

Drogba offers something different down the middle, few players in the world can bully defenders like he can. Walcott... playing on the shoulder trying to get in behind, EVERY striker in the entire world can do this, this isn't unique or brilliant. The most important thing is because this is the ONLY thing he tried to do for 90 minutes, it was the only thing both CB's were looking for. Not once did he come 10 yards deeper show for the ball get it and then do anything with it, turn and run behind in the gap you just made pulling a defender out of position, pass in someone else to run into that space, pass back to midfield. He did nothing for 90 minutes, he made it incredibly easy to defend against and we created almost no real chances.

Variety in your play makes every aspect easier, because you have more chances to run in behind if the defender doesn't know thats what you're going to do, his timing is also woeful. Walcott offers exactly nothing that any non league striker can't offer, one dimensional crap.

For the record, Sagna, Arshavin, Rosicky, Bendtner, Diaby, Ramsey(defensively), AOC, Wilshire, Arteta, and Jenkinson could all offer more than Walcott does down the right. We have loads of players who are simple better footballers, and a bunch of players who aren't really any better, but at least try and don't run away from the people who might tackle him.


Hahaha, Sanga the fullback? Has he ever got an assist from a cross and he can't even pass properly at the moment?
Arshavin has been tried repeatedly and suffers from lack of effort which it precisely what you are slating Walcott for, we don't play him and no one else wants him.
Rosicky, is best through the centre but even at his best for us has never delivered goals nor assists.
Bendtner lol, useless everywhere he's been.
Diaby, not a wide player, awful in 50% of his games.
Ramsey awful in his best position which is central.
AOC, too inconsistent at present, offers nothing in final third as yet.
Arteta on the right? Honestly?
Jenkinson is a full back again and best deployed there, no goal threat although not a bad crosser.

Yes Walcott has had a couple of bad games up top, a few bad ones on the right too but he's still the best we have and without his goals and assists this season we'd be struggling even more.
 
Hahaha, Sanga the fullback? Has he ever got an assist from a cross and he can't even pass properly at the moment?
Arshavin has been tried repeatedly and suffers from lack of effort which it precisely what you are slating Walcott for, we don't play him and no one else wants him.
Rosicky, is best through the centre but even at his best for us has never delivered goals nor assists.
Bendtner lol, useless everywhere he's been.
Diaby, not a wide player, awful in 50% of his games.
Ramsey awful in his best position which is central.
AOC, too inconsistent at present, offers nothing in final third as yet.
Arteta on the right? Honestly?
Jenkinson is a full back again and best deployed there, no goal threat although not a bad crosser.

Yes Walcott has had a couple of bad games up top, a few bad ones on the right too but he's still the best we have and without his goals and assists this season we'd be struggling even more.

Walcott has had a few GOOD games upfront, or on the wing, his entire time at Arsenal.

Without his goals, of which precisely one goal of his has made a difference to the result, an away draw at Everton, we'd be one point worse off.......

Its NOT about individual goals and assists, its about the TEAM< he makes the team worse. He provides zero interplay with the midfield/wide players when he plays upfront, when he plays on the wing he offers nothing at all defensively. We're a worse team when he plays, and the vast majority of his goals, as all other seasons have come in games where we have absolutely dominated anyway, often against poor opposition and he still generally has woeful games but gets on the end of others work.

Any team can play pretty much any way, Stoke play for freekicks/corners, and get certain players loads of goals, does that mean say Huth is the bestest goal scorer around, or just he happens to benefit from the way the team plays.

When the entire team works almost exclusively for Walcott, he's usually crap, gets the odd goal and Arsenal are having a terrible season. We have the 11th best home form this season, we were poor last season and at the same time of year we've played one game more and have 2 points less.

Arshavin only stopped trying once Wenger decided he wasn't part of the team, even so in his few appearances he's generally been WELL above the average player in the squad and he certainly works harder than Walcott, without question. In his last "full" season(Wenger only started him 25 times league, 3 in the champs league) he had 10 goals 18 assists, he hasn't had a full season since.

Bendtner worked harder than Walcott ever did and across all the Barca games was our probably hardest working player and one of the most effective, and useless everywhere he's been, simply rubbish.

Diaby is rubbish, and he's better wide than in the middle and he's still better than Walcott.

The team has gotten consistently worse the more Walcott has been involved, that should tell you something, as should watching the games where he can't be arsed to do anything most of the time. Close people down, nah, just jog to within 15 yards then stop, pressure the keeper, nah, too much effort, stop 20 yards away rather than risk getting hit with the ball or something.

Walcott is basically the poster boy for everything wrong at Arsenal, valueing pace above ability, ignoring how lazy and pathetic he is, allowing a player to play on the right but hasn't learnt where he should be defensively and allow him to rarely if ever bother tracking back.

Podolski, Santi, Arteta, AOC, Ramsey, all of them look worse when Walcott is upfront, because they can't play "with" Walcott, there is no pass to walcott and make a run and get it back, there is a single option. Wait for him to make a run and pass him in behind, pray he's onside and pray he can be bothered to run after it.

Podolski/Santi have looked woeful when Walcott has been upfront on his own, slightly less bad when Gervinho us upfront on his own, and like quality players when Giroud is upfront on his own.

Arsenal's best performances came with Walcott on the bench, since December or so with Walcott playing upfront more we got some results, against two of the worst teams in the league and two teams out of form Walcott managed to impress in none of them, Arsenal scraped results in two of them and and only "beat" Necastle convincingly in the final 25 mins when Pardew took off every key player on the pitch for them, up till that point we were incredibly lucky to still be in the game.

Arsenal + Walcott upfront, everyone plays worse, we fluked results against the bottom of the table, and dropped points against another crap team(who outplayed us).
 
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The Welbeck discussion is an interesting one. I bet most of the people that rate him are the ones who didn't really like Berbatov.

Berbatov is a real class act, his decision making and technical ability are second to none, but he doesn't mindlessly close everyone down like a headless chicken and tire himself out after 45 minutes.

Welbeck is, as someone described him, a 'pace merchant', he can run a lot (for one half) and fairly quickly, but that's it. His finishing, passing and control are all fairly poor most of the time. I'm giving him a chance and he's sometimes moderately effective, but someone else would do a far better job.

Yesterday he got praise for running around like a headless chicken, most of the things he did were fairly poor, like they usually are. Whenever he's sprinting somewhere with the ball, you know he's going to mess it up with a poor pass, or woeful shot.

He can have some more opportunities (though hopefully not in important games), but so far I'm not a big fan. He doesn't seem to have improved much since becoming part of the first team, which is a concern.

In fairness he's our 4th choice striker so we shouldn't expect the world from him, but why not just hang on to Berbatov and rotate him properly instead of giving Welbeck a bigger contract. It's utterly bizarre really.

Hernandez isn't all that outside of the penalty area, but inside he's one of the very best and you can usually rely on him to put chances away. Welbeck would miss those same chances.
 
He's not world class in any aspect of his game. He's not even top 4 class. Running around a lot does not make you a good footballer.
 
gotta love blind love.

And you'd know all about that ;)

Berbatov is a real class act, his decision making and technical ability are second to none

Yeah he's really pulling up tree's over there in West London aint he :o

EDIT: In fact on comparing Berbatov with Welbeck the former doesn't favour considerably at all, he's played over double the amount of minutes (1574 to Welbecks 753), only scored 6 more goals, has the same amount of assists and won 3 fewer tackles oh and Welbeck also has a higher pass completion rate (87.4% to Berbatov's 80.2%)
 
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I think the move in the second half summed up Welbeck perfectly. He flew down the wing from just inside our half with a great display of pace and strength....then mucked it up and dribbled the ball out of play behind their goal. it doesn't matter how many people you run past if you have no final product. His work rate was excellent yesterday (well in the first half) and that's why he started, he was useful but ultimately it puts a lot more pressure on whoever else is playing to actually do something that will help us win the game (create or score chances basically)

You put it excellently - thats exactly what I meant

(there was another more central chance he had similar to the one you described as well, running with the ball - maybe just to the right of central goal - and he had one more defender to beat and he basically passed it TO the defender, which just showed lack of control in a crucial moment)

Hernandez isn't all that outside of the penalty area, but inside he's one of the very best and you can usually rely on him to put chances away. Welbeck would miss those same chances.

Totally agree

(Surely Berbatov was on more money than Welbeck's new contract is worth?)

If its Welbeck vs Berbatov then Im glad we have Welbeck, at least we are giving (our) youth a chance vs expensive imports. Im not sure he will end up having a good career with Utd, but at least SAF has given him chances if he has to be sold/ released in the future. After the 2 or 3 kids that we lost for effectively nothing without giving them chances (or very few) then at least Welbeck should generate a bit of cash for the club at some point.
 
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