Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [24th - 28th October 2014]

I dont think Southampton will bring any panic to other teams.
Chelsea and Man City should get top 2.
Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal should fill the 3rd, 4th and 5th places. We just don't know what order they will finish.

As a Man Utd fan I am pretty confident we will finish top 4. I'm actually predicting 3rd.

I am more worried about next year - how will LvG set about beating Mourinho's Chelsea, to the title?
 
Loki said:
Whats a reasonable time frame for managers to be given a go then at Tottenham. Let's be fair, they aren't a Chelsea or City with pretty much endless funds.

Under Pochettino, Southampton looked a handy well organised side who played attractive football. Football fans want instant success but surely thats at odds with a new manager getting to know the players he has inherited and bedding in players he has bought ?
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elmuzzy66. said:
I suppose its all down to the actual teams. I think spurs fans (and Liverpool fans to certain degree) think to highly off themselves. I say this because I can not see anywhere in the last 20 years were spurs have been up there apart from the bale years. So complaining about being were they are now is unreasonable considering its spurs.
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It is not the results that are disappointing, it is the performance i.e. the way in which we win or lose. Lucky wins should be discounted as should unlucky losses.

Poch really hasn't done anything at Spurs to make me think he is worth keeping and is reminding me of AVB - all possession, no end product.

Levy has maintained a general upward trend since being chairman. He has made some mistakes, but we have been on an upward trend.

Recently, we have had real trouble finding the manager to take us forward. Redknapp topped out, AVB wasnt the answer and neither was tiger tim.

I dont know who we could replace Poch with (which is the ultimate question), but he doesnt look to be a manager to help Spurs get into the CL. ALl the complaints of Southampton fans are still there and costing us big time. No plan b, poor subs and has favourites.

I dont see the point in persisting with a manager who cant improve a squad he inherits.
 
Andybtsn said:
Maybe get rid of the plonkers who are buying the trash at Spurs?
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They weren't trash before coming to Spurs. They come with really exceptional records of previous success.

Soldado was the top european goalscorer outside Ronaldo, Ibra, Messi and Falcao! What did we do to him?
 
Snax said:
Levy has maintained a general upward trend since being chairman. He has made some mistakes, but we have been on an upward trend.

Recently, we have had real trouble finding the manager to take us forward. Redknapp topped out, AVB wasnt the answer and neither was tiger tim.
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You were on an upward trend, 4 years ago. Levy and the club as a whole topped out just as much as Redknapp did.

I remember getting shot down for questioning why some Spurs fans were so against Redknapp when he had you sitting 4th in the table. Without being disrespectful, you've got to be realistic about what's possible for Spurs right now. Ever since City's takeover there's been 5 clubs with more resources than Spurs, varying from quite a lot more to **** loads more.

For Spurs to break into the top 4 and more importantly, establish themselves there will take the work of a genius.

Redknapp was fortunate that his spell in charge coincided with City only just establishing themselves, Liverpool's mess with their owners and Chelsea going through a sticky patch but ultimately he had you punching above your weight. Ever since then Spurs have fallen back to where finances dictate they should finish.

I can't say I've paid too much attention to Spurs this season but I like Poch. He took Southampton onto another level and performing beyond where they should have been. He does have a certain style of play though that requires certain types of players and I'd give him time to build his side before I judge him.
 
Snax said:
They weren't trash before coming to Spurs. They come with really exceptional records of previous success.

Soldado was the top european goalscorer outside Ronaldo, Ibra, Messi and Falcao! What did we do to him?
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Did the manager buy him or Levy and his team?
 
twist3d0n3 said:
Cagey stuff. I expected more from maureen
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Why? He's always been a cautious manager and showed no signs of changing since coming back to Chelsea.

Up until the Mikel change Chelsea were on top in the 2nd half and it looked like they were going to put Utd away. Had Costa or Remy been fit it might have worked but with Drogba up top there was no pressure on Utd's back line and they were able to keep building attack after attack and although they weren't creating anything, it only takes a set-play or a bit of bad luck to cost you and that's exactly what happened.
 
Spurs are never going to improve if they don't give their managers time to actually make any changes and get the team/squad doing things how they want. I personally would love for them to carry on sacking everyone that doesn't win things instantly. Bring it on!
 
BaZ87 said:
You were on an upward trend, 4 years ago. Levy and the club as a whole topped out just as much as Redknapp did.

I remember getting shot down for questioning why some Spurs fans were so against Redknapp when he had you sitting 4th in the table. Without being disrespectful, you've got to be realistic about what's possible for Spurs right now. Ever since City's takeover there's been 5 clubs with more resources than Spurs, varying from quite a lot more to **** loads more.

For Spurs to break into the top 4 and more importantly, establish themselves there will take the work of a genius.

Redknapp was fortunate that his spell in charge coincided with City only just establishing themselves, Liverpool's mess with their owners and Chelsea going through a sticky patch but ultimately he had you punching above your weight. Ever since then Spurs have fallen back to where finances dictate they should finish.

I can't say I've paid too much attention to Spurs this season but I like Poch. He took Southampton onto another level and performing beyond where they should have been. He does have a certain style of play though that requires certain types of players and I'd give him time to build his side before I judge him.
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Yeah agreed - we would be punching above our weight.

All I want is for a manager to get the best out of the players at his disposal. We haven't had that since Jol!

I must be insanely old fashioned but a manager's type of player seems absurd to me. Otherwise he may as well ask for Messi, Ronaldo, Ibra and Schweinsteiger. He has a squad, he should be able to either adapt his tactics or teach his squad how to play to his style.
 
It's not absurd. Even the very best managers have a style of play that they take from club to club and you can't expect any player to fit into that style of play. Look at Mourinho (as I know from our conversation last week you look at him as a measuring stick for other managers), it took him over a year to build the side he wants and he had a much stronger starting point and more money to play with too.

Poch's a very good coach and will be coaching the players he has to play his way but it's not always straight forward. If a player simply isn't capable of playing in a certain way there's not much a coach can do.
 
BaZ87 said:
Why? He's always been a cautious manager and showed no signs of changing since coming back to Chelsea.

Up until the Mikel change Chelsea were on top in the 2nd half and it looked like they were going to put Utd away. Had Costa or Remy been fit it might have worked but with Drogba up top there was no pressure on Utd's back line and they were able to keep building attack after attack and although they weren't creating anything, it only takes a set-play or a bit of bad luck to cost you and that's exactly what happened.
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because he's up against his old master, should've given a bit more than that...
 
Agree with Barry on this. To be fair he could have gone for the jugular at Old Trafford last year when Dithering Dave was at the helm and he shut up shop with 15 minutes to go.
 
BaZ87 said:
It's not absurd. Even the very best managers have a style of play that they take from club to club and you can't expect any player to fit into that style of play. Look at Mourinho (as I know from our conversation last week you look at him as a measuring stick for other managers), it took him over a year to build the side he wants and he had a much stronger starting point and more money to play with too.

Poch's a very good coach and will be coaching the players he has to play his way but it's not always straight forward. If a player simply isn't capable of playing in a certain way there's not much a coach can do.
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I agree with that - they may have a style but the best managers teach players how to play on that style. Our squad does have pedigree. I always hoped Poch could work with that rather than buy a new suite if players who the next manager will dump.

I just don't have any faith Poch will improve things. On the other hand if he can build a team identity, he will have done more than any other spurs manager over the recent past.

His transfers thus far have been v odd too. I'm looking at Davies, Stombouli, Holtby, Fazio and Dawson in particular.

He is manager of a club that can't spend its way to victory and immediately blows his budget on players he essentially already has in the squad. How many central midfielder can one team need?
 
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