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GTX 1060

FoxEye said:
No, it isn't.

Currently a $250 RRP translates to a £230 RRP, including VAT.

More than £230 is not the fault of Brexit or exchange rates.

How can you possibly think dollar parity or worse is anything but retailers looking for a bit more profit?

Maths isn't ambiguous. 1.2/1.3 = 0.923. Not 1.

If you pay more you are simply giving more money to the retailers, and that's a fact.
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What? There are shipping costs, and also as Gibbo has said many times they don't get the exact rate so the rate he is getting is probably more like 1.27 or something right now. It has always been rare for the price we get here to be exactly the exchange rate + VAT, especially at launch.

More than £230 is exactly the fault of Brexit and the exchange rates as if we had voted to remain the GBP to USD exchange rate was forecast to go back up to near 1.6.

The fact the prices NOW are near enough 1:1 parity compared to a few weeks ago is precisely because the GBP to USD rate has gone so low.
 
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FoxEye said:
No, it isn't.

Currently a $250 RRP translates to a £230 RRP, including VAT.

More than £230 is not the fault of Brexit or exchange rates.

How can you possibly think dollar parity or worse is anything but retailers looking for a bit more profit?

Maths isn't ambiguous. 1.2/1.3 = 0.923. Not 1.

If you pay more you are simply giving more money to the retailers, and that's a fact.
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We have never paid a straight conversion plus VAT in the uk. There is always a little bit extra for more "expensive shipping costs" and just because.

Everything is pretty much 1:1 parity at the moment.
 
Griffildur said:
I still see lots of people waiting to get the specific card they want not rushing to buy 480's or anything else and pretty sure they won't buy 1060's either. The wait has nothing to do with it, it just reinforces my point.

1060 does not even seem to be targeted at the low end of the market, it sure feels like Nvidia does not even care about that end at all.
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Those people are waiting because THERE IS NO PRODUCT.... you cannot buy something that does not exist.... Sure they may be waiting for the higher end cards, but currently there is no higher end card to buy other than a "Pre Order" and wait your turn card..

There is a wait because there is nothing to ship and sell to them... that is why the cards have been on Pre-Order for so long and coming in dribs and drabs, if there was no issue, you would see them in thousands in warehouses and the sites selling would not have them listed as "Pre Order" but as "Available".

And of course these people are not buying the 480, its a TOTALLY different market lol, if im looking to buy a 1070 or a 1080 i am definitely not looking at the 480 as an alternative, its simply not in the same league..

Seriously do you even think about what your about to spout before you start typing? or is it a case of engage fingers, hit reply, engage brain?
 
I see a lot of people lecturing others about not paying high prices, but haven't seen one person actually express interest.

You'd have more effect preaching on social media to the low-info casuals. Everyone here already bought a GP104.
 
TheRealDeal said:
This card looks to have all the same problems as the lower Maxwell variants. It will look good at launch but suffer later on due to it's lower spec compared to the Rx480. I have no doubt people will lap it up but with only 192.2 GB/s memory bandwidth i see this dropping off like a gtx960.

I have no doubt it will sell well though but seeing this i would drop my money on the Sapphire Nitro and be done with it.
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A 192 bit bus size is more than enough for a card in this performance category higher numbers aren't always better in every scenario im sorry. Its going to run out of GPU grunt before this becomes an issue especially with the compression techniques these cards use these days. The 1060 card looks to be faster and more power efficient so your advice on the Nitro may not be the best for people who want the best perf/watt or even perf/$.
 
Greebo said:
We have never paid a straight conversion plus VAT in the uk. There is always a little bit extra for more "expensive shipping costs" and just because.

Everything is pretty much 1:1 parity at the moment.
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I've always wanted to calculate these "expensive shipping costs" out.
A large container from America can be had for about £750 (and that's for me, a business would get it cheaper). How many GPU's can you get in a container? 50,000? more?

It basically should add only pennies to an individual card here in the UK.
 
Orangey said:
I see a lot of people lecturing others about not paying high prices, but haven't seen one person actually express interest.

You'd have more effect preaching on social media to the low-info casuals. Everyone here already bought a GP104.
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Not even everyone on this forum has a 1070/1080. Outside this forum, and other tech forums, the rate of adoption of GP104 will be tiny.

Barely anyone wants to spend 1070 money on a GPU in the real world.
 
Skribla said:
A 192 bit bus size is more than enough for a card in this performance category higher numbers aren't always better in every scenario im sorry. Its going to run out of GPU grunt before this becomes an issue especially with the compression techniques these cards use these days. The 1060 card looks to be faster and more power efficient so your advice on the Nitro may not be the best for people who want the best perf/watt or even perf/$.
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Sure it might be better Perf/watt but i doubt the Flanders Edition will be better Perf/$ as i expect the nitro to be faster if that Firestrike score is anything to go on.
 
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I thought the Rx 480 was 180-230? This is 250-300.

We reckon this will be available from that date or be orderable like the 1070 and 1080 but a week before you get it. I hope this has something wrong with it so it doesn't doom AMD.
 
D1craig said:
I thought the Rx 480 was 180-230? This is 250-300.
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For one, you're comparing GB 480 pricing vs US 1060 pricing.

But you're also only comparing reference 480's vs reference AND 3rd party 1060's.

Already we have a 3rd party 480 that is selling for £250. We do not know where the upper limits will be for either card just yet.
 
SiDeards73 said:
Yet they will still sell in droves, people dont even recommend SLI....

Its not the point i know, but still :( its dark days in GPULand..
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Decent upgrade path down the line when cheaper or bought used and with being only 120 watt they would run on a 500 watt PSUs. But they have taken that way as they don't want 1060 SLI beating the extreme milking exercise that is the 1070/1080.
 
drunkenmaster said:
SO a card that wins on power and is 5% faster in DX11, but gets trounced in DX12.... when the majority of all high performance requiring, best graphics, most demanding games out over the period you'll have the graphics card will be DX12.

IF the lack of availability that is being rumoured is true, that is why Nvidia seems set on semi paper launching their whole range asap, because you give out a few cards, get reviews done and push mostly DX11 benchmarks and the card is established as a winner.

If true wide availability isn't before the end of the year and 3-4, what is there likely to be, BF1, Deus Ex, Gears of War 4, Watch Dogs 2 are all confirmed. Imagine launching on or behind any of these big games, BF1 in particular, and seeing AMD have a massive effective gain compared to Nvidia. Can review sites ignore BF1 as a staple performance benchmark, or Gears, or Deus Ex, particularly if they look better than other games and are popular and widely played.

SO launch asap, get mostly DX11 benchmark games, win and even if they get beaten soundly in 8/10 new games and all the biggest games of the next two years people will still when deciding to google reviews of cards look up a 1060 and see launch reviews where it 'wins' and the average user will not realise what the deal is in newer games. The same review 3 months from now with 3-4 big new AAA games all in DX12 where the 1060 gets destroyed and when people google those reviews in a years time looking for a new card they see a RX480 is the way to go.


Though the price of 1070/1080 is literally absurd, at least you'd be buying a higher end core that is genuinely fast. But 1060, it's going to get pummelled by a RX480 in most upcoming games.
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We don't know how available these cards will be but what we do know is that Nvidia didn't expect to sell as many of these high end cards as they have especially with the 970 and 980 being so popular, so demand at the moment has outstripped supply is what we do know.

I would wait for an actual DX12 PC game to be released first to make any judgement because at the moment there isn't a game that will show you how DX12 is going to perform MS are even still implementing features to DX12 none of the games you mentioned are DX12.

The point your missing is that people generally want best performance out of the box and not have to wait for a driver releases in the next 6months - 1yr to get better fps or have to under volt there card to get it to stop throttling and perform better. By the time these true DX12 games come out the 480X/1060 won't have the GPU grunt for most titles anyway.
 
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