Haha.
Well yes, I'm not suggesting that an animal should go through any more than necessary. But by that I mean what is necessary to get the job done. I don't think it is the aim of any slaughterhouse, Halal or otherwise, to prolong the killing process.
I know, but it's wrong that it happens. In a perfect world the value of meat would be higher and the animals would have a better existence due to not having to cut costs completely which leads to inhumane treatment. The reason meat is so cheap is because it can be mass slaughtered and distributed, free-range costs a bomb and in my opinion it should be the only available option.
And to use your presumed definition of psychopathic, is it not psychopathic to order the premeditated and unnecessary death of an animal, for no other purpose than to consume it, when there isn't even a physiological nor biological need for humans to eat meat?
I agree completely on that one, but there is a need for us as a species to be ignorant of stuff like that, don't break the Matrix dude.
The fact it gives no real benefits to us with the exception of luxury is a big factor as to why it should all be free range (and more expensive as a result). Meat is way too cheap and that effects the way they are killed. Meat should be a luxury not a necessity and it's society having a sense of entitlement on the issue which has caused the suffering of battery farming etc.
As for Halal, religion has caused enough suffering to humans themselves over the past 5000+ years, from the Aztecs and their sacrifices, to the Crusades, all the way to modern day terrorism and religious zealots. Religion is nothing more than a method of control and the fact it's now causing animals to suffer is just unnecessary.
No worries, I used the rolleye smilie first anyway.
At least you admit it's not really about the humane side of things, it's the religious/cultural side of things you dislike. I'm fine with that viewpoint (even though I don't agree). I don't like the when people (and there are plenty in this thread) hide behind the humane argument when in fact its them being anti-muslim.
I'm not anti-Muslim per se though, if people want to do things with their lives that is their business, I oppose religion but I would never actually oppress it given a chance. I'm just sick to the stomach of everything being so different for
everyone just to babysit those of different beliefs.
We are animals. We have a an almost exact same system in our bodies. The main difference being they are bigger animals with more blood and bigger hearts. Humans can go through unimaginable trauma and continue on, depends on the situation and the person. Same with animals. Just because they have to live with more pain in the wild (we used to to) doesn't mean they feel any different.
I think the distinction people put between humans and other animals is in part a superiority trait and in part a way of reducing our realisation that we are killing other beings very similar to us to eat. Basically we have to sanitised a culture in the west, where we want/need to disassociate ourselves from where our food comes from.
Well that's exactly what I said, it was misinterpreted that I thought they were different on a biological level, when in reality we are just gigantic wussies on average compared to large animals which leads to them suffering things most of us wouldn't, which I've covered several times before now.
