Hiper vs Enermax/Coraqi

Chimerical said:
....who can be bothered to buy one, o/c their PC and test their reliability? Especially when there are much better alternatives availible.....I've got a Hiper Type R, hasn't failed (yet) but I can't wait to get rid of it.
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thats exactly my point! the hiper type-m's are built by andyson, based on the server grade ad800 units. what does that mean? they are considered better quality even than the corsairs. tier 2, as jonnyguru refers to them (the corsair hx's being tier 3). but of course, people dont readily know that.
 
8igdave said:
Their 580w was only good for about 380w, any over and it couldn't handle it. They should have been done in by trading standards. Its like taking a ferrari then replacing all the parts with those from a nisan micra and still selling them for the same price and hoping no one will notice!
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Thats not true. The Enermax Liberty 620W has 432W on its 12v rails and Seasonic Super Tornado 400 Watt has 264W. Its the same for all PSU- not all the power is on the 12v rail. The hipers work very well until they stop working- thats the problem!
 
Owenb said:
Thats not true. The Enermax Liberty 620W has 432W on its 12v rails and Seasonic Super Tornado 400 Watt has 264W. Its the same for all PSU- not all the power is on the 12v rail. The hipers work very well until they stop working- thats the problem!
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quite true. people are thinking psu' that can deliver 90% of their quoted power on the 12v rail is the normal - it certainly isnt.
 
willhub said:
I said best PSU I owned, not CPU.

Now if you look at the Type-R 580W specs, you can clearly see that on the 12V rails its 360W, now add the res up and you'll see its just over 580W, thats how they are getting the number, but anyone who is able to read will see on the 12V rails its got 360W.

The PSU is not made so badly thats the stupid talk, you think because some PSU's go pop they are all bad? My C2D and 2900XT could run off the Type-R fine and so could other peoples.
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whre did i say cpu?
 
Owenb said:
Thats not true. The Enermax Liberty 620W has 432W on its 12v rails and Seasonic Super Tornado 400 Watt has 264W. Its the same for all PSU- not all the power is on the 12v rail. The hipers work very well until they stop working- thats the problem!
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Doesn't the 520w deleiver over 400ws?
 
james.miller said:
thats exactly my point! the hiper type-m's are built by andyson, based on the server grade ad800 units. what does that mean? they are considered better quality even than the corsairs. tier 2, as jonnyguru refers to them (the corsair hx's being tier 3). but of course, people dont readily know that.
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If you look on extreme systems, the corsair HX series is listed as tier 2
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108088

The tier thing dosent seem to be based on any kind of industy standard, its merely the opinion of the writer, so what does that mean?
It means nothing more than any other opinion.
 
RMA the Hiper back and if they replace it with a Type-M then fit it back in your system.

The Type-M Hipers are faultless and myself along with several other people have had no issues with them.
 
james.miller said:
quite true. people are thinking psu' that can deliver 90% of their quoted power on the 12v rail is the normal - it certainly isnt.
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Said of the HX620
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/2562-corsair-hx620-620w-power-supply-review.html

The combined output of the +12V rails (or rail in this case) is an astounding 600W or 50A. Considering this power supply has an output of 620W, the fact it can output nearly 97% of its output to the +12V rail will have it punching far above its weight category. From looking at competitors, we can see than the Corsair HX620 will even give most 700W power supplies a good run for their money when it comes to +12V output.
 
People seem to now be being anti corsair and pro hiper seems rediculas. I wouldn't touch hipers regardless, what they tryed to pull off was a disgrace and i wouldn't touch a hiper again and would rather a corsair that i can trust and know its giving me the majority of the power it advertises. Your all claiming it doesn't without proof and dissig the corsairs, the guy above proves it.
 
mattyfez said:
If you look on extreme systems, the corsair HX series is listed as tier 2
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108088

The tier thing dosent seem to be based on any kind of industy standard, its merely the opinion of the writer, so what does that mean?
It means nothing more than any other opinion.
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it means a hell of a lot more than your or my opinion, because they are the people that know. weather the hiper M's are rated above or THE SAME as the corsairs really makes no difference does it? the point is either way they are just as good, so i've got no reason not to recommend them based on that point. aqs far as working goes, they are just as good as the seasonic based corsairs.
mattyfez said:
Said of the HX620
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/2562-corsair-hx620-620w-power-supply-review.html

The combined output of the +12V rails (or rail in this case) is an astounding 600W or 50A. Considering this power supply has an output of 620W, the fact it can output nearly 97% of its output to the +12V rail will have it punching far above its weight category. From looking at competitors, we can see than the Corsair HX620 will even give most 700W power supplies a good run for their money when it comes to +12V output.
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i said its not the norm! owning a 520w hx and a 620w hx, i do know what they are cabable of but again, people suddenly think its normal for a psu to be able to output 90% of its quoted power on the 12v rail. it is not. we are, however, moving towards that. its a natural progression as everything moves towards a 12v supply. im actually suprised they havent thought of a 15v rail, but thats another matter.

8igdave said:
People seem to now be being anti corsair and pro hiper seems rediculas. I wouldn't touch hipers regardless, what they tryed to pull off was a disgrace and i wouldn't touch a hiper again and would rather a corsair that i can trust and know its giving me the majority of the power it advertises. Your all claiming it doesn't without proof and dissig the corsairs, the guy above proves it.
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where did you get that from? what did i claim the corsair didnt do?
 
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8igdave said:
People seem to now be being anti corsair and pro hiper seems rediculas. I wouldn't touch hipers regardless, what they tryed to pull off was a disgrace and i wouldn't touch a hiper again and would rather a corsair that i can trust and know its giving me the majority of the power it advertises. Your all claiming it doesn't without proof and dissig the corsairs, the guy above proves it.
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What hiper tryed to pull off is a discrace? What did they try and pull off?

All Hiper PSU's are not bad.
 
james.miller said:
quite true. people are thinking psu' that can deliver 90% of their quoted power on the 12v rail is the normal - it certainly isnt.
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james.miller said:
thats exactly my point! the hiper type-m's are built by andyson, based on the server grade ad800 units. what does that mean? they are considered better quality even than the corsairs. tier 2, as jonnyguru refers to them (the corsair hx's being tier 3). but of course, people dont readily know that.
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Sorry i read you wrong you wern't putting them down as such. But i dont see how they are better and you did say that they wouldn't do as much as they quoted yet it turns out they do a lot better then even i expected.

willhub said:
What hiper tryed to pull off is a discrace? What did they try and pull off?

All Hiper PSU's are not bad.
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Ive already been through this once. The fact that they built a top end psu then once everyone was sayign they are the best they swoped the parts out for cheap parts which couldn't handel the wattage then they put anotehr 200ws on top making it even worse.

You say that they claimed it was onyl good for 380w or what ever but where was taht beacuse their title said 580w so why advertise it unless they were trying to con people.

Reviews of the time all state that the psu's are tyerrible and dangourous to your components once they get anywhere near their stated wattage.

I see this as a disgrace as it was just a way to make more money. The result is a lot of them went pop and took out peoples components as everyone still thought they were high end psu's.

Then corsair emerged to take the top psu to buy slot.

As far as i know tahst how the story goes, perhaps i am wrong and you can correct me?
 
8igdave said:
Sorry i read you wrong you wern't putting them down as such. But i dont see how they are better and you did say that they wouldn't do as much as they quoted yet it turns out they do a lot better then even i expected.



Ive already been through this once. The fact that they built a top end psu then once everyone was sayign they are the best they swoped the parts out for cheap parts which couldn't handel the wattage then they put anotehr 200ws on top making it even worse.

You say that they claimed it was onyl good for 380w or what ever but where was taht beacuse their title said 580w so why advertise it unless they were trying to con people.

Reviews of the time all state that the psu's are tyerrible and dangourous to your components once they get anywhere near their stated wattage.

I see this as a disgrace as it was just a way to make more money. The result is a lot of them went pop and took out peoples components as everyone still thought they were high end psu's.

Then corsair emerged to take the top psu to buy slot.

As far as i know tahst how the story goes, perhaps i am wrong and you can correct me?
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Honestly, go look at the sticker of a Hiper Type-R 580W PSU, add the numbers up, its not rocket science and tell me what they all add up to.. You'll then realise.
 
So to find out how much the hiper psu's can power you now need to buy them and look at the stickers on the side? Right... silly me thinkign the 580w actually ment something :p
 
8igdave said:
So to find out how much the hiper psu's can power you now need to buy them and look at the stickers on the side? Right... silly me thinkign the 580w actually ment something :p
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Silly me thinking that wattage does not mean everything..

If you are building a decent rig you are going to need to look at the ratings, the most important fact is the 12v rails. You dont go and buy a Qtec 600W PSU just because its 600W do you? Infact, you dont go near those PSU's.
 
Selling PSU's rated at 580W when they only deliver 380W is obviously a con. Enermax's and Seasonics are able to deliver their rated wattages, magazines like CustomPC ahve fully stress tested them for efficiency and the like, the Enermax 1000W draws about 1200-1300W from the mains at full load to supply 1000W to the computer. Rating a PSU to supply more power than it can is like a dodgy second hand car dealer artificially lowering the mileage on a car. It's wrong, especially when it puts £100 motherboards and £300 graphics cards at risk. Admittedly, any PSU isn't designed to run at full load 24/7 but saying they can't supply their rated amount of power is rubbish. Why rate them at that spec then?
 
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