Hiper vs Enermax/Coraqi

Conrad11 · 8 Dec 2007 at 14:29

Wiggins said:
RMA the Hiper back and if they replace it with a Type-M then fit it back in your system.

The Type-M Hipers are faultless and myself along with several other people have had no issues with them.

It looks exactly the same according to the specification on the Hiper website? Are the components internally different?

Does anyone know how long the RMA process takes at Hiper?

MumboJumbo · 8 Dec 2007 at 14:31

willhub said:
Silly me thinking that wattage does not mean everything..

If you are building a decent rig you are going to need to look at the ratings, the most important fact is the 12v rails. You dont go and buy a Qtec 600W PSU just because its 600W do you? Infact, you dont go near those PSU's.

Im sorry but i still dont understand why you defend hiper when they clearly tryed to con people. You are saying its ok that it deleiveryed 380w instead of the advertised 580w which is why it was called a hiper 580w powersuply.

Chimerical said:
Selling PSU's rated at 580W when they only deliver 380W is obviously a con. Enermax's and Seasonics are able to deliver their rated wattages, magazines like CustomPC ahve fully stress tested them for efficiency and the like, the Enermax 1000W draws about 1200-1300W from the mains at full load to supply 1000W to the computer. Rating a PSU to supply more power than it can is like a dodgy second hand car dealer artificially lowering the mileage on a car. It's wrong, especially when it puts £100 motherboards and £300 graphics cards at risk. Admittedly, any PSU isn't designed to run at full load 24/7 but saying they can't supply their rated amount of power is rubbish. Why rate them at that spec then?

My point exacly.

willhub · 8 Dec 2007 at 14:45

8igdave said:
Im sorry but i still dont understand why you defend hiper when they clearly tryed to con people. You are saying its ok that it deleiveryed 380w instead of the advertised 580w which is why it was called a hiper 580w powersuply.

My point exacly.

You are not having it are you? You are not taking in a word I say, you have not looked at the spec sheet of it.

All you have to do is add the numbers up, and PSU's are not 100% effecient.

I've had a Hiper Type-R, I have a HX520W now, both are good PSU's, Hiper is not conning anyone as they are covered by the sticker on the PSU that tells you the wattage and ratings of the rails.

mattyfez · 8 Dec 2007 at 14:53

Think the point he's making is that regardless if the 12v is 20watts or 300, the cumalative sustainable output falls far short of what is says on the box.

willhub · 8 Dec 2007 at 14:56

mattyfez said:
Think the point he's making is that regardless if the 12v is 20watts or 300, the cumalative sustainable output falls far short of what is says on the box.

on the box it says 360W for the 12v rails.

You are trying to say no one looks at the back.

mattyfez · 8 Dec 2007 at 15:09

So why call it a 580, rather than a 400 or whatever?

willhub · 8 Dec 2007 at 15:14

mattyfez said:
So why call it a 580, rather than a 400 or whatever?

Cant believe I've had to do this for you.

Chimerical · 8 Dec 2007 at 15:22

willhub said:
Cant believe I've had to do this for you.

And?

I mean, so what? Obviously the combined rails theorectically make up the rated wattage, the point people are making is that the PSU goes pop from trying to supply that rated wattage. All you've shown us is how every PSU works but I don't hear of Enermax's taking out people's motherboards because they plugged in too many hard drives. No-one cares about a sticker on the back, which says the total CUMULATIVE Peak Output is 630W anyway. They're just saying that Hiper's are unreliable, prone to failure rates and that they possess a reputation as being dodgy, useless components.

mattyfez · 8 Dec 2007 at 15:30

willhub said:
I said best PSU I owned, not CPU.

Now if you look at the Type-R 580W specs, you can clearly see that on the 12V rails its 360W, now add the res up and you'll see its just over 580W, thats how they are getting the number, but anyone who is able to read will see on the 12V rails its got 360W.

I guess that "3" was a typo then, thats what was confusing as 360 + whatever the other rails were wouldnt add up to 580

willhub · 8 Dec 2007 at 15:31

Chimerical said:
And?

I mean, so what? Obviously the combined rails theorectically make up the rated wattage, the point people are making is that the PSU goes pop from trying to supply that rated wattage. All you've shown us is how every PSU works but I don't hear of Enermax's taking out people's motherboards because they plugged in too many hard drives. No-one cares about a sticker on the back, which says the total CUMULATIVE Peak Output is 630W anyway. They're just saying that Hiper's are unreliable, prone to failure rates and that they possess a reputation as being dodgy, useless components.

People have been using hipers with heavily overclocked C2D's and 2900XT's, I did, did it fail? nope.

You are trying to say that people buy PSU's based on the wattage only, so they see a 700W PSU and buy it because its got so much wattage, what you fail to understand is that one of the most important things is the amps on the 12V rails, now the failed hipers have not blown becayse they've been powering too much, seems like a few have gone on lower powered rigs which suggests reliability, now It must be that they changed manufacturer of the components as some Hipers were reported to be very light compared to older ones, infact max did a comparison on the forum somewere its worth taking a look.

If you're going to be building a high end rig you'll be looking at the specs of a PSU.

mattyfez said:
I guess that "3" was a typo then, thats what was confusing as 360 + whatever the other rails were wouldnt add up to 580

There is no typo on that sticker.

Chimerical · 8 Dec 2007 at 15:32

If the Hiper can only supply 380W overall then obviously that 12V 360W rating and the 240W 3.3V/5V are utter rubbish, weighing in at much less. They're just bad PSU's, sold as high-end enthusiast bits of kit.

willhub · 8 Dec 2007 at 15:34

Chimerical said:
If the Hiper can only supply 380W overall then obviously that 12V 360W rating and the 240W 3.3V/5V are utter rubbish, weighing in at much less. They're just bad PSU's, sold as high-end enthusiast bits of kit.

Were does it say it can only supply 380W overall?

But from now on I'm only going to buy PSU's that are 100% efficient....

MumboJumbo · 8 Dec 2007 at 15:36

hes not getting it is he? Its called the Hiper 580w regardless of what they are saying it actually does on the side its miss leading and a con. I know its only good for 380w ive seen reviews showing they almost killed their hardware going over it lol. I dont need the side of the box to tell me in their small writign that they called it the hiper 580w so they could change more for it.

Point is its called the 580w to put the price up then as theres no reason to call it that other then to put the price up as it clearly cant support what it says in its name.

Decent brands, seasonic, corsair, enemax. What they state in their name is what you get. And your wondering why i think hiper are conners.

Chimerical · 8 Dec 2007 at 15:40

willhub said:
People have been using hipers with heavily overclocked C2D's and 2900XT's, I did, did it fail? nope.

You are trying to say that people buy PSU's based on the wattage only, so they see a 700W PSU and buy it because its got so much wattage, what you fail to understand is that one of the most important things is the amps on the 12V rails, now the failed hipers have not blown becayse they've been powering too much, seems like a few have gone on lower powered rigs which suggests reliability, now It must be that they changed manufacturer of the components as some Hipers were reported to be very light compared to older ones, infact max did a comparison on the forum somewere its worth taking a look.

If you're going to be building a high end rig you'll be looking at the specs of a PSU.

There is no typo on that sticker.

My friend runs an XFX 7900GTX XXX Extreme Edition GPU on his Hiper, then one day we plugged in an extra drive (total of three) and a few weeks later the new HDD was fried. There was SMOKE coming out for christ sake's and it took the other hard drive with it that was on the same rail.

What you're saying doesn't make sense, because you seem to be quoting the 12V 360W output as the overall rating of the drive. Every PSU makes up its wattage by combining the 12V and 3.3/5V ratings. What I'm saying is that the ratings on the Hiper, the amps are no damn good. I understand fully about amps and that certain GPU's require specific amounts of amps as well as wattage. But none of this deflects from the fact that Hiper's suck. If a PSU can't power your system then it simply won't switch on. The Hiper switches on and fries everything.

MumboJumbo · 8 Dec 2007 at 15:41

Who needs that many watts on the 3.3v and 5v anyway?

The seasonics only have 170w, hiper put 260w on to put up the total wattage to charge more. And look at how many amps are on them as well. I call bullcarp on the hiper amps. No way would they be the same as the seasonic.

Chimerical · 8 Dec 2007 at 15:43

willhub said:
But from now on I'm only going to buy PSU's that are 100% efficient....

There's no such thing as a 100% efficient PSU, they're only 83-85%. Unless you mean 100% Stable, which the Hiper's certainly aren't.

Cyber-Mav · 8 Dec 2007 at 15:44

hiper has saftey features to prevent damage to the psu, so if your hardware blows up then thats a shame but the psu shoudl still survive.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10186554

look in there, hiper using proper quality components in thier psus.

also here:
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTM5Nyw4LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

hiper wins the gold award.

for being crap

MumboJumbo · 8 Dec 2007 at 15:45

Cyber-Mav said:
hiper has saftey features to prevent damage to the psu, so if your hardware blows up then thats a shame but the psu shoudl still survive.

haha

you quite oftern make me laugh.

Cyber-Mav · 8 Dec 2007 at 15:47

Chimerical said:
There's no such thing as a 100% efficient PSU, they're only 83-85%. Unless you mean 100% Stable, which the Hiper's certainly aren't.

hiper is stable, i put it on the table and it did not move.

MumboJumbo · 8 Dec 2007 at 15:49

seasonic said:
M12 series is built to the highest quality and specifications. The double forward converter circuit design coupled with active power factor correction ensures that these power supplies achieve the highest efficiency ratings in the industry. Additionally, Seasonic’s proprietary dual magnetic circuit design enables the M12 power supplies to maintain a tight 3% tolerance on the all important 12VDC output line which is so critical to gamers and Over-clockers who seek stability even at maximum system loads.

Think i remember why hipers were doing so badly. They have bad 12vdc outputs. The seasonics have 3% change but the hipers were all over the place once the load started reaching 380w and started damaging parts the closer they got to the 580w till it went pop.