It's against the rules...nuff said.
Hungarian Grand Prix 2010, Hungaroring Circuit - Race 12/19
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It's against the rules...nuff said.
It's against the rules.
Or do you want FIA to pick and choose which rules they enforce. Something which they have been heavily criticised for.
If true, it is a sensible clarification and the what I expected and hoped for.
MSC has also been found of braking rules and given a 10 place grid drop, how is that not concentrating on punishing those who needlessly push others of the track. Today was a step to far you can't stifle racing though. Which is why most of the time it is allowed. Also on the exit of a corner, you can not stop your car riding towards the outside.
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Nothing much to add really other than i wish there was some consistency with the fines and punishments being dished out.
This might be bit controversial but do the likes of Nigel Mansell and Derek Warwick really have their fingers on the pulse of the modern F1 to be good drivers stewards?
This might be bit controversial but do the likes of Nigel Mansell and Derek Warwick really have their fingers on the pulse of the modern F1 to be good drivers stewards?
Pretty terrible race, SC spiced things up, Fast Forwarded through a lot of it. Schumi was downright dangerous as were the pitstops, look pretty small but don't hear much about Bernie wanting to get them to improve the pitlane like Silverstone!
Hamilton unlucky, but still only a few points behind, Jenson done ok to get into the points but had 0 pace today, just watching the press conference now, about to see Vettel throw some toys out of the pram!
Going to be interesting to see what happens with flexi wings by Spa.
Hamilton unlucky, but still only a few points behind, Jenson done ok to get into the points but had 0 pace today, just watching the press conference now, about to see Vettel throw some toys out of the pram!
Going to be interesting to see what happens with flexi wings by Spa.Trouble is it has never been consistent. Is it this year or last year change of leadership and driver stewards?, I forget, but I think it's only this year isn't it.
either way you should only compare it to punishments from this year or this year and last.
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We've by and large had a good season with one or two rain hit races, tyre wear in Canada. Red Bull finding every possible mechanism to screw up and a few safety car related race resets. But if Red Bull had not screwed up so often this would have been a dog awful one team snore fest. It is also plain the too many tracks are crap from racing with overtaking maneuvers rare as rocking horse crap.
Whilst I applaud Red Bull's innovation this season and Brawn's last season these quasi legal rule bending design gambles are giving lucky teams too much adavantage. Either more in season testing is needed to make these advantages more transitory or the FIA needs more often rule against them. I know this sounds counter competitive and maybe against the spirit but only providence has prevented Red Bull romping away in a dull 2 car duopoly.
I could live with single team dominance if however the tracks at least allowed equally competitive cars to get close and overtake, but getting neither is wearing thin. I pray for safety cars, rain, accidents or pit stop foul ups simply to spice up the races.
Lets face it if Forumla One wasn't on Sunday afternoon I probably wouldn't watch it these days.
Whilst I applaud Red Bull's innovation this season and Brawn's last season these quasi legal rule bending design gambles are giving lucky teams too much adavantage. Either more in season testing is needed to make these advantages more transitory or the FIA needs more often rule against them. I know this sounds counter competitive and maybe against the spirit but only providence has prevented Red Bull romping away in a dull 2 car duopoly.
I could live with single team dominance if however the tracks at least allowed equally competitive cars to get close and overtake, but getting neither is wearing thin. I pray for safety cars, rain, accidents or pit stop foul ups simply to spice up the races.
Lets face it if Forumla One wasn't on Sunday afternoon I probably wouldn't watch it these days.
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Damn right!!!
I miss the days of Mansell and Senna. Though TBH Hamilton also falls in that category. The problem is that whenever Hamilton does something aggressive, a huge deal is made of it, with threats of penatlies in the air.
Hamilton (and Montoya) is one of the few drivers I've seen over the last few years, who would happily fit into the Mansell/Senna era.
IMO it is MSc who is to blame for toning down the aggression factor. The newer F1 drivers would come in and use MSc as an example, where being fastest in every single session was no longer the priority - something which was very important to the likes of Senna and Mansell. MSc always used to think about the bigger picture and was happy to be outside of the top3 positions during practise sessions, only to turn it on big time, in the race itself. I hated this.
In any case, times have changed and so must the racing styles/strategies which drivers use. The sort of racing which Mansell and Senna were involved with, would be heavily punished under today's safety laden F1 rules and attitudes.
Thanks for the picture, it really shows it in a fresh light.. it was lucky not to result in a pretty terrible accident.
What do people think made this move punishable however? Was it the presence of the wall right there, or just the moving towards someone who is alongisde you in general?
I don't like it at all when drivers push the guy that's alongside them. For example I'd have been quite happy to see Vettel punished for swerving into Webber at Istanbul. Also Hamilton pushing Glock off the track at Monza 2008 was over the top, and I'd have been quite happy to see that punished too.
What do people think made this move punishable however? Was it the presence of the wall right there, or just the moving towards someone who is alongisde you in general?
I don't like it at all when drivers push the guy that's alongside them. For example I'd have been quite happy to see Vettel punished for swerving into Webber at Istanbul. Also Hamilton pushing Glock off the track at Monza 2008 was over the top, and I'd have been quite happy to see that punished too.
I am, and i would still like to see some consistency.
For example would we have seen Vettel knocked back 10 grid places in the next race because of reckless driving/and or endangering life....no, we wouldnt and no we didnt although i think i am right in saying that is exactly what he did a couple of races ago.
All i would like to see is consistency in the punishments and not seemingly random punishments dished out dependent on the recipient.
Schumacher was dangerous today and deserved punishment, but not a greater punishment than one any other driver might receive.
So would I but, you can't judge penalties with past penalties. The system has changed with an outlook of being more consistent. You have to give it a chance and see how it pans out.
why wouldn't vettle be punished?
IMO it was the move and the wall combined that made a punishment.
I can only think of one other move remotely similar and that was vettle vs webber, which of course was the same team. But even that was not the same, webber had plenty of room to manoeuvre. Similar swerve, but there was plenty of track left. If it was against someone else, then he probably would have been punished. But of course, RBR aren't going to lodge a complaint.
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It's never going to happen. Webber never got penalised for ramming Kovaleinen off the track at Valencia but Schumacher gets a penalty for nearly putting someone off the road.
You telling me that Webber can not see straight in front of him.
Thats why drivers and they nearly all do it, pull moves to run the other driver off the road or back out. They feel safe in their little tubs so have zero respect for each other.
Thats because MS was smarter. The whole race weekend changed and he thought about the race from a whole stand point of differing car circumstances and corners. He knew there was nothing to gain from being fastest in every practice session and worked throughout the weekend on set ups for qually and the race. There is nothing to be gained from whacking in fastest laps in every practice session to find your car lacking on half a tank of fuel in the race.
MS covered the bases which is why he was so supreme.
There have been many instances this year where drivers have cut off the road to the car trying to pass or when passing. They just about all do it. The racing would be so much better if they had to leave a car width, leaving room for the car being overtaken to have another run back. Instead they cut them off with the option of backing out, run wide or have an accident.
Hamilton and Button left each other a cars width and a fraction more. Thats how it should be done.
They have set a precedent that none more than me would be happy to see continued. My bet is they won't though.
It was not deliberate, he was caught napping. Nothing like the same. That was stupid, but a racing inciedent.
There is a massive diffrence between closing the door and trying to put some one in the wall, they have set s presedence for the later.