HUNGARORING - BUDAPEST - HUNGARY Grand Prix 2009 - Race 10/17

Harsh penalty for Renault, I think. Yes, they knew there was a problem but I doubt they could have predicted that the wheel would actually come off - after all other cars have gone round the track with loose wheel wotsits before. Alonso will only have known that there was a problem with the wheel, not what it was and so did what any sensible driver would do and tried to limp it back to the pits. The Renault pit crew made a mistake not getting the wheel properly screwed on but to ban both drivers from the next race is OTT, frankly.
 
flat-6 said:
I bet it looks worse than it is, eye injuries nearly always do. I'd be surprised if we didn't see him back this season.
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Not a chance. 7 races to go and he's been in an induced coma with a head injury. I think you have more chance of driving the ferrari this season.

The doctors won't allow it and I doubt the team will either.

It's the perfect time to put kimi's replacement in the car. They could end up needing two new drivers.
 
Bennah said:
On the pitlap 'near miss' between the two, nothing happened, it would have been harsh to give any penalty to Webber for it. A warning is fair.
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"Nothing happened" is a poor excuse for not punishing Red Bull. It was still an unsafe release. A collision in the pitlane is one of those accidents that WILL happen one day and mechanics WILL get hurt (Did you notice the crew in the pitbox in front of Webber who had to jump out of the way?). Teams who release cars like that should be punished whether there is a collision or not in order to make them more carefull in future and try to prevent the injuries that will occur on the day that there is a collision.
 
flat-6 said:
I bet it looks worse than it is, eye injuries nearly always do. I'd be surprised if we didn't see him back this season.
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There was nothing wrong with his eye, but the spring or perhaps his helmut had clearly caused an open wound to his head and when they're talking about brain surgery and induced comas it doesn't look good for him at all.
 
Is Massa in a Coma? albeit and induced one?

They said sedation on the TV but haven't seen/read confirmation he was placed into a coma.

I wouldn't think he'll be driving again this year. Legs and arms ok plate them up and carry on but breaking your noggin is very serious stuff.




Bennah said:
My god, I would leave the track early if I was heading home to see her :eek:
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Cor, shes not shy either according to google images. Dirty old git Flav ;) ;)
 
Jokester said:
Just seen the pics of Massa sitting in his car, I think he'll be lucky to drive a normal car again let alone F1. He's in an induced coma at the moment apparently.
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I think, even if he makes a full recovery, the mental block of driving at 200mph again may be too much for him considering he's got a family of his own now, or very soon.
 
NathanE said:
I think, even if he makes a full recovery, the mental block of driving at 200mph again may be too much for him considering he's got a family of his own now, or very soon.
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Everybody responds differently, though I highly doubt that he will have a mental block at all. I've never heard of a top line driver/racer quitting because of a mental block or because they are scared to go fast. Perhaps somebody could give me some names?

M.Schumacher, N.Mansell, A.Prost, A.Zanardi are all racer/drivers who have had serious accidents and come back to racing, asap.

I remember having a cycling accident a few years back. My helmet was totally destroyed and saved my life. Had I not been wearing the helmet, I would be dead. I went out for a 100+ mile 2 days after the accident. The accident made no difference as I know whenever I go cycling (or in Massa's case, drive an F1 car), there is a chance of death...but he accepts it.
 
sunama said:
I've never heard of a top line driver/racer quitting because of a mental block or because they are scared to go fast. Perhaps somebody could give me some names?.
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There have been plenty of F1 drivers that have commented on losing their edge once they had kids and I've read a few say they left a margin for error when previous they didn't after big accidents.

Patrick Head commented on this with Hill and JV in the same car. Hill would play the percentages while Villeneuve would go round the corner as far on the limit as he thought the car would go.

Damon often commented on having children maybe held a little something back in his head.

Hakkinen also lost the desire.
 
JRS said:
When did Niki have a mental block or get scared? He retired from the last round of the '76 reason because he couldn't see where the hell he was going thanks to his burns, and he quit the sport for a couple of years because he was bored before coming back and getting another title.
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Didn't he refuse to race once because of dangerous conditions?

Not that I blame him but I doubt pre-accident he would have cared.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Didn't he refuse to race once because of dangerous conditions?
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Yes, he refused to run the last race of the '76 season because he couldn't see **** in the bad weather.

Seriously - the guy raced with blood pouring from his wounds when he came back at the Italian GP that year (having missed just two races despite being administered the last rites), I think if fear had much to do with it he probably wouldn't have returned at all :)
 
dannyjo22 said:
There have been plenty of F1 drivers that have commented on losing their edge once they had kids and I've read a few say they left a margin for error when previous they didn't after big accidents.

Patrick Head commented on this with Hill and JV in the same car. Hill would play the percentages while Villeneuve would go round the corner as far on the limit as he thought the car would go.

Damon often commented on having children maybe held a little something back in his head.

Hakkinen also lost the desire.
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Whats being discussed here is a driver being placed into retirement due to an accident. None of those drivers you mentioned retired due to an accident.
 
this_is_gav said:
What Renault did was an honest mistake, unlike what Vettel and RBR did in Melbourne without punishment. ;)
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It started as an honest mistake - but once they knew what happened (as the wheel man must have known as much as Alonso himself) they should have told him to retire the car INSTANTLY imo - otherwise that wheel could have come off anywhere and hit anyone whether it was a spectator, driver steward or anything

That was a dangerous situation made a lot more dangerous by continueing at all imo (yes I know F1 is dangerous - but surely Renault where putting a lot more people needlessly at risk)

I dont believe the Brawn situation was predictable at all, and I sincerely hope Massa recovers fully but Brawn should never be investigated for something like that

MW release was inherrantly dangerous and the only real punishment for a race team is by punishing that racer inparticular - harsh on the driver no doubt but its the only way to really punish them
 
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