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I see it as a freak accident not a cause to change anything over.
HUNGARORING - BUDAPEST - HUNGARY Grand Prix 2009 - Race 10/17
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I see it as a freak accident not a cause to change anything over.
Where were you earlier?
Reading and wondering if it was going to be worth the effort posting
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"The spokeswoman of Formula 1 legend Michael Schumacher says he would consider the possibility of standing in for injured Ferrari driver Felipe Massa"
Bring it on..LH for the win
Bring it on..LH for the win
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That's what I meant, Renault was punished for something that could have happened and it was avoidable.
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That I didn't do.Reading and wondering if it was going to be worth the effort posting
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Martin Brundle had realised that Alonso's wheel was not properly attached within 10 seconds of his leaving the pits - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8169434.stm.
If the pit crew didn't realise, Renault shouldn't just be excluded from the next race, they should be dropped from F1 until they can hire a pit crew with at least one brain cell to share between them.
If the pit crew didn't realise, Renault shouldn't just be excluded from the next race, they should be dropped from F1 until they can hire a pit crew with at least one brain cell to share between them.
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I've watched that footage several times and I don't see how Martin Brundle saw that the wheel was loose so quickly. He *must* have been watching a different feed to what FOM were putting out.
he would probably see if it would ruin any of his records much first lol.
doubt he would really want to return in a car that might not be very competitive
At the Hungaroring, nothing more nothing less. The same goes for McLaren, what they too have shown is their car with KERS works well on one circuit. Now there is no doubt Ferrari & Mclaren have gained ground on the rest, but everyone jumping up and down at the fact that Brawn & Red Bull are out of the picture I think are very much mistaken.
Put it on record, I don't see Mclaren or Ferrari winning another race this year. Only time will tell and I may well eat my words - would love to see Ferrari win a race this year, but it just isn't going to happen.
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I think it was very obvious that something was wrong the moment Alonso started driving, at least it was possible to see the carbon crap thingie not fastened properly and as mentioned in this thread, if that thingie is loose the wheelnut is loose.
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+1 especially with all the recent events what have gone off
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sunama said:
True to an extent, but qualifying was messed up for Brawn due to Rubens' rear suspension hitting Massa, and then Button's qualy3 being messed up replacing his rear suspension. Might have been quite different had that not happened.
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Its not on the BBC no more, but the camera was on the tire guy
and you could see him still trying to turn the disc(about 4 times) as Alonso was pulling out.
You could see it was not locked(or what ever it does) because the disc was going around.
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In F1? Wasn't that way back in 2002, Ralf Schumacher and Villeneuve in Australia?
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I saw something flapping around at the side of the wheel. It was the cover thing that eventually worked loose.
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It would be very interesting to hear the pit to car radio from the time Alonso left the pits to the time the "wheel came off his wagon". Wasn't it just such a conversation that landed The Boy Hamilton in the brown and smelly?
The stewards may know more than they have announced in public
As to Martin Brundle, could he see the pit lane from the commentary box
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Oh RLY? So they didn't finish 3rd in Germany? 4th in Germany? So 4, 3, 2 in their last 3 races and they can only compete at the Hungaroring?
Read the above quote from Skeeter that I was responding to, then read mine again.
Regardless, I still maintain there was nothing immediately obvious about it. The lollipop man couldn't have known when he released the car (though he might have realised soon afterwards that he hadn't checked for the signal from right-front tyre-changers, though there is little to suggest so from the actions of the team all moving back into the garage) and Alonso only knew when he braked for turn 1. There was nothing visual that the wheel was loose until he was going through turn 2 - the cover was the only other visual clue, and that was only clearly seen through turn 1, though if you watch again it starts moving as he leaves the pitlane... which is quite a distance from being released.
I stated the WHEELMAN knew not the lollipop man (if he didnt then he should be fired immediately) - therefore with radio communication the whole team knew before Alonso hit the track again - he should also have been aware the bolt didnt go on properly (to cause the disc to not fit as it should
Suspension damage doesnt necessarily mean something is going come flying off - as stated everywhere the Brawn was a freak accident, yet it was VISIBLY obvious on the tv (several other people have posted the same as well as numerous commentators) that the wheel was far too loose and a dangerous situation IMMEDIATELY from Alonso's release - the only person who CANT be blamed is Alonso as he wouldnt be able to tell exactly what the problem was (Brundle I believe said it would feel identical to a puncture) so by all means dont punish him, unfortunately nature of the system if you punish the team you bunish the driver also (a financial punishment would be totally pointless - it has to be some reduction of racing somehow to hit home to all teams)
I havent seen anywhere where Brawn have stated that they knew how serious it was immediately RB was going out of the pits - as indicated above if a blown tyre can replicate the same as a loose wheel, symptom y could be numerous different things wrong with something not immediately visible with the suspension
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You realise that's not the original footage? It has another 10 seconds or so cut from it. The point where Brundle says "and his front-right wheel hasn't gone on properly" he actually said as Alonso was heading between turns 1 and 2 on the original broadcast, not as Alonso was heading out of the pits, as it shows in that clip you posted.
People are over analysing this. There just isn’t enough data to backup the conclusions people are coming out with. Round9 was compromised by a poor qualifying. Had Q3 been smooth they would likely have been a couple of places higher. We know in the first half of the season the car was working great, good balance and easy to drive. Last race it had lost that, there is no reason to suspect the car won’t be working nicely again in Spain. It’s silly to write off a car that’s already won 6 of the last 10 races!