Soldato
Wasn't there another team wanting to sign up for the 2010 championship and got refused as there were already 10 teams, maybe now they can take the place of BMW?
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Soldato
i thought there were 3 new teams next season, and i can't remember wheter Lola was one of them or never got a place, i'm sure a google search would confirm wheter this is true?
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No, I don't think that anyone understands why Toyota persist in F1, it seems to be a complete mystery
. . . BUT . . .
Toyota aren't a successful motor manufacturer
Where DO you get your information from?
Soldato
None of the teams are saying they don't want to reduce costs - they just want to go about it a different way and in steps. Last I heard they thought they could get to max's target (£40m?) a year after what he wanted, which when you think about it is still bloody good (from ~£300m to £40m in 3 or 4 years).Max has been banging on about reducing costs for year yet everyone was critical of him. He knew things were unsustainable but the diehard petrol head ‘dinosaurs’ didn’t want to hear it.
Soldato
Remember its a **** of a lot easier for the likes of Ferrari and McLaren to reduce costs than it may be for the much smaller teams
Those two would be seen to have done brilliantly if they get costs down to £50m - where as other teams who only have a fraction of their budget may well really struggle to even lessen costs by a £2 - 3m
(when you are already running on bare minimums its a lot harder to reduce further, than someone cutting out vast amounts)
Sorry to see BMW go (just from another team disappearing) but its not really that surprising - frightening to think they where so successful last year and sank beyond trace this year and they dont want to continue.
Both drivers will get a drive I would expect somewhere
Why is this an issue with one of the new (previously blocked) teams being given the slot? (I presume they dont HAVE to take over the factory etc, which I guess is something about what you are aluding to)
I have probably missed something obvious but I cant think what atm
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Soldato
Oh dear we are back to the three car team debate again. I don't see how it can possibly work, unless every team can afford to run three cars. If you end up with some teams with three and others with two, the constructors championship is meaningless. I didn't see the point in the constructors championship in BTCC last year, because Vauxhall had three, they were statistically more likely to have more points than Seat with two cars.
Then you got to think with two cars there are problems with team orders, it would be even worse with three. They could block both sides of the track.
Soldato
Why would three cars help save BMW? To be honest, they should just offer help and support (as they did for Brawn GP) for one of the teams that wanted to start up (but instead of them starting from scratch they take over the BMW team... or split it up into 2 and give it to two teams if its too big for one).
What if teams ran 3 cars but only the top 2 could be awarded points?
Honda couldn't get a title sponsor, thats the reason they went with earth dreams. There was enough talk from Fry about how they were tryign to secure sponsorship before the earth dreams project.
Pitpass ran many articles and stories of the lack of interest in honda.
Edit like this one, read it in full especially the latter paragraphs...
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=36814
Heidfeld has always been a wash up. If he wasn't german he would have been retired after Jordan kicked him out years ago. Plodder.
Yeah someone will supply them an engine and a few parts. Pointless without a budget. I'm quite pleased because Mario and BMW where arrogant when partnered with Williams. Picking holes in williams methods and how they would do it better.
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Soldato
My thinking exactly. Effectively run the 3rd car as a test car with new parts that need testing or give young drivers a chance to race in F1 without actually racing, giving them vital experience?
Always thought BMW were pretty stupid to leave Williams and set up their own team. Apart from Ferrari have many engine manufacturers actually done well when they start their own team? Renault were OK a few years ago but not done much since. BMW/Honda/Toyota haven't exactly done well have they.
Soldato
Yep. It is almost as if the boards of Renault/BMW/Honda/Toyota reckon they can do what Ferrari have done and successfully make both car and engine. I think they are all deluded if they think they can do this. The two most powerful teams in F1 are Ferrari who make car and engine and McLaren-Mercedes who effectively split the duties between them according to their expertise.
The turn up and expect to win in 3 years or it's a failure. Where it took ferrari nearly 20 years to win a title and get winning regularly. It's as though they have no idea of the sport they have entered and what it will take.
Even mclaren won in 99/00 then didnt take another title until 2008.
Its as though they don't understand the concept at all.
Even mclaren won in 99/00 then didnt take another title until 2008.
Its as though they don't understand the concept at all.
Soldato
With all the cuts in testing, I'm sure the other teams will not like this.My thinking exactly. Effectively run the 3rd car as a test car with new parts that need testing or give young drivers a chance to race in F1 without actually racing, giving them vital experience?
It would have to be one specific car chosen at the beginning of the season not to score any points regardless of where it came, otherwise it would be unfair. If you have 3 cars running and just pick the best 2 places you would statistically be much more likely to score points than if you were running 2 cars. Even without that you would still get the team tactics from the third car interfering
Soldato
Yeah. The boards and shareholders want instant results for the $$$ they spend on their F1 programs. And with this age of 24 hour media a big brand like BMW or Honda or Toyota not winning races regularly hurts.
Well we can either have 20 car grids and some teams not happy or grids of a smaller size and poorer races for the spectators?
I don't particularly want to see some teams run three cars in a race but if it is what is needed to keep F1 going in the short term then so be it.
Soldato
Yeah, the 3rd car could also act as a driving roadblock holding up the competition.