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Ian McNaughton goes out against The Way it's Meant to be Played

snore!!!! this whole fanboy squabble is BOORRRRIINNNNGGGG! Just same old tosh phys-x this DX10.1 that. The whole AA thing is new to me, probably not the best way to get people on board but oh well nobody understands nvidia.
 
uv said:
There's no need for ATI to even think about buying into Physx; non-vendor-proprietary APIs for GPGPU physics are on the horizon.
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Exactly. A well thought through post that makes 80% of the drivel on this thread, (and the dribblers posting them) irrelevant
 
Personally I think nVidia saying these things about dx11 is a good thing.

Reason is that there are a few titles coming out very soon for dx11 and there are going to be people upgrading video cards very soon. These people about to upgrade will look at whats available...look at the games out...see dx11 in a few good games and see ati are only people supporting it and that nVidia "Do Not Care". This will add sales to Ati over nVidia and teh more this happens the more the market will become equal.

The day Ati and nVidia have equal shares in the market is the day that software houses equally support both companies.

Also a small note for all those sad fanboys out there. All those posts I read from nVidia fanboys going on about how crap Ati are etc etc.. Yawnn.. Well you should be bloody thankful for Ati because if Ati was nto selling video cards your precious NV cards would be double the price. So SHOW SOME RESPECT :)
 
deuse said:
Stop moaning like a bunch of girls and email ATI to pay for Physx.

here is the link for you to tell ATI http://developer.nvidia.com/object/physx_downloads.html

They can put Physx into there drivers and all will be ok ;)
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Several things you missed, ATi have AA, Nvidia paid the company to detect ATi hardware ID's and disable it. IF ATi had Physx, Nvidia could still pay the company to have it disabled on ATi cards. SO you're completely missing the point, the other side of it is, Physx gives us nothing, I don't want physx, I want it to die, its brought nothing new to gaming, its simply replaced existing working physics in game, with slower hardware needing equally inaccurate physics.

The problem is, they paid them to use existing and easily done physics, on their hardware, NOT to create fancy physics incapable of being done normally and added that in. Physx constantly goes on about accuracy and realism, yet the paper effects added, the paper just moves right through the player, in what some might call a completely unrealistc and inaccurate manor. So the question is, do I want phsyx, just to have the same effects I had in games from 5 years ago, done at a higher power cost. No, i don't.

This is again where your argument fails, the majority in this thread don't want physx, because it offers nothing, physx isn't what we're complaining about AT ALL, (even though it is crap) we're complaining about Nvidia paying another company to sabotage how their product works only on ATi cards.

If there were no physx in the universe, and it had never been made, the issue is still Nvidia paying to remove features from the game only when it detects ATi hardware.


SO yes, we can all see you're a troll who can't understand what the issue is.
 
rancid_elf said:
Personally I think nVidia saying these things about dx11 is a good thing.

Reason is that there are a few titles coming out very soon for dx11 and there are going to be people upgrading video cards very soon. These people about to upgrade will look at whats available...look at the games out...see dx11 in a few good games and see ati are only people supporting it and that nVidia "Do Not Care". This will add sales to Ati over nVidia and teh more this happens the more the market will become equal.

The day Ati and nVidia have equal shares in the market is the day that software houses equally support both companies.

Also a small note for all those sad fanboys out there. All those posts I read from nVidia fanboys going on about how crap Ati are etc etc.. Yawnn.. Well you should be bloody thankful for Ati because if Ati was nto selling video cards your precious NV cards would be double the price. So SHOW SOME RESPECT :)
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DX11 isn't an ATi thing. This is the issue, the resident nVidia trolls are gonna slate DX11 until nVidia deem it as worthy of praise, then they won't shut up about how great it is.

That will coincide with the release of nVidia's DX11 hardware.
 
rancid_elf said:
Personally I think nVidia saying these things about dx11 is a good thing.

Reason is that there are a few titles coming out very soon for dx11 and there are going to be people upgrading video cards very soon. These people about to upgrade will look at whats available...look at the games out...see dx11 in a few good games and see ati are only people supporting it and that nVidia "Do Not Care". This will add sales to Ati over nVidia and teh more this happens the more the market will become equal.

The day Ati and nVidia have equal shares in the market is the day that software houses equally support both companies.

Also a small note for all those sad fanboys out there. All those posts I read from nVidia fanboys going on about how crap Ati are etc etc.. Yawnn.. Well you should be bloody thankful for Ati because if Ati was nto selling video cards your precious NV cards would be double the price. So SHOW SOME RESPECT :)
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The reason theres few games using Dx11 is because Nvidia are not ready yet, and so playing it down, holding it back etc..., as i said earlier, if Nvidia had GT300 out now like ATi with their 5 series, would everyone be talking about so few games using Dx11, as it would still be like it is now, only 2-3 titles being mentioned, of course not, we'd be talking about hundreds coming, as announcements would be flooding out, Nvidia would be going full throttle, and pushing Dx11 for all their worth, their TWIMTBP would be bursting with Dx11 titles, which you'll see happen when its finally released in November, or when it is actually released.

kylew said:
DX11 isn't an ATi thing. This is the issue, the resident nVidia trolls are gonna slate DX11 until nVidia deem it as worthy of praise, then they won't shut up about how great it is.

That will coincide with the release of nVidia's DX11 hardware.
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Fully agree, once Dx11 GT300 makes its appearence, their faces will change.
 
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Wasn't DirectX supposed to take us away from vendor-specific foibles and optimisations?

I know it's not fair to blame Microsoft, but it seems we're going backwards...
 
And in hypothetical land, IF ati did pay Nvidia what good do you think it would really do? Nvidia could and based on their history would just nobble the performance for Ati cards in the code (which is not and will not be available to Ati) if their flagship wasn't up it
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I think this would be the very last thing Nvidia would do if ATI paid them for Physx as it would eventually come out and after the dust had settled in court ATI would own Nvidia. IF ATI ever bought a license from Nvidia then that would be the start of a very slippery slope for ATI
 
'Wes said:
The attitude Nvidia have leads me to come to the decision of never purchasing a product of theirs ever again.
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I'm starting to feel similar. I mean I always used to buy the best bang for buck card no matter what but I honestly don't want to support this type of nonsense if there is any viable alternative. Roll on Larrabee and the 5870X2 of course.
 
Nvidia reposnds to Batman:AA

NVIDIA statement on Batman AA
A representative of AMD recently claimed that NVIDIA interfered with anti-aliasing (AA) support for Batman: Arkham Asylum on AMD cards. They also claimed that NVIDIA’s The Way It’s Meant to be Played Program prevents AMD from working with developers for those games.
Both of these claims are NOT true. Batman is based on Unreal Engine 3, which does not natively support anti-aliasing. We worked closely with Eidos to add AA and QA the feature on GeForce. Nothing prevented AMD from doing the same thing.
Games in The Way It’s Meant to be Played are not exclusive to NVIDIA. AMD can also contact developers and work with them.
We are proud of the work we do in The Way It’s Meant to be Played. We work hard to deliver kickass, game-changing features in PC games like PhysX, AA, and 3D Vision for games like Batman. If AMD wants to deliver innovation for PC games then we encourage them to roll up their sleeves and do the same.

NVIDIA Developer Relations
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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=235601
 
They know full well they would never get away with doing this at an hardware level.
Sadly the thread get wrecked by immature fanboys who always champion whatever brand they currently use.
For the rest of the input is very informative, was there any offcial response from the Dev's about the whole AA fiasco?
 
I have not seen any elegance out of nVidia since their 8800. Everything seems to be related to aggression, brute force, go through a wall, why use a hammer when you can bulldoze type of things.

May the superior architecture win.
 
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