Hasn't been proven yet what the problem is.
In terms of bus architecture if it was a fairly minor update that is basically what it would look like, talk is it is 2x 6P tiles with internal ring bus and high bandwidth switch but dunno about that.
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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851
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Hasn't been proven yet what the problem is.
In terms of bus architecture if it was a fairly minor update that is basically what it would look like, talk is it is 2x 6P tiles with internal ring bus and high bandwidth switch but dunno about that.
Hmm, that's not what I remember?
Wikipedia says (base, all-core, max-boost):
11900K: 3.5, 4.8, 5.3
10900K: 3.7, 4.8, 5.3
11700K: 3.6, 4.6, 5.0
10700K: 3.8, 4.7, 5.1
11600K: 3.9, 4.6, 4.9
10600K: 4.1, 4.5, 4.8
I have a hard time getting my head around 10th gen performance heh - it has kind of dated badly but at the same time still relevant - my Legion Go for example has stronger single thread and not hideously behind for multi-thread:
Lenovo Legion Go 687/6288 in CPU-z for ST/MT, 10900K stock 577/7136 according to the CPU-z site though most people are talking ~630/7200 for stock.
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(EDIT: Slightly overclocked actually 10900K)
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Lenovo Legion Go 687/6288 in CPU-z for ST/MT, 10900K stock 577/7136 according to the CPU-z site though most people are talking ~630/7200 for stock.
AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme @ 4214.64 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR
[xf86bg] Validated Dump by Anonymous (2023-12-21 16:14:55) - MB: LENOVO LNVNB161216 - RAM: 16384 MB
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(EDIT: Slightly overclocked actually 10900K)
Intel Core i9 10900K @ 5198.75 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR
[w7t9ti] Validated Dump by RAZER (2020-11-05 19:56:29) - MB: ASRock Z490 PG Velocita - RAM: 65536 MB
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Oh right, what I was trying to say about Rocket was that maybe since Intel knew their 14nm process so good, they didn't go crazy with the clocks on 11th gen, but they have made that mistake with their new process after 12th gen.Sorry, I misread Rocket Lake as Raptor Lake
What buildzoid suggests would make sense, since I'd guess their engineering data about 14nm would be very extensive after using it for so long.
I see 10th gen as "peak-Skylake" and Skylake always had strong performance at high clocks. It is surprising how even now the 8700K can cling on against modern i5s and get decent-enough gaming performance. It took AMD until Zen 3 to consistently beat it.
It is definitely starting to age as an architecture though and 11th gen onward are pulling ahead more meaningfully. Arrow Lake kind of reminds me of 11th gen, due to the loss of hyper threading it has been compromised, but over the longer-term those advantages (like a higher base IPC) will show.
Yeah I don't think Intel were happy or comfortable pushing Raptor Lake to such high clocks. They were forced to, due to Zen4's performance, especially the X3D chips.
I think the 13900K should have been the highest stock frequency used for Intel 7 process, perhaps with 100Mhz less top boost and all core.
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I have a 17 13700k (edit) don't know which one would be a upgrade?
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Not sure if thats a good idea with next gen, reports of Arrow lakes TJMax being raised to 105c, wont that just cause more problems?
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Tbf any from that old piece of ****
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I upgraded from i7 4770K to i5 12600K and the difference in gaming performance was astonishing...I hadn't realised how much the CPU was holding back frame-rates! Literally doubled my FPS with that change.
even an i3-12100/12100F is an upgrade from a 3770K, but at the current prices (and assuming you want to avoid 13th/14th): 12600K/12600KF.
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Opps typo. I meant 17 13700k? lol
My Xeon 1650 V2 of that era albeit highly clocked held up pretty well upto a 3070 - not sure it would have done so well with the 4080 Super I've got in my gaming setup now but I've not tested that combination hah.
Oh, the short answer is we don't know yet. I suspect the difference in games won't be that big, but I guess we'll see... A 9800X3D could be worth it, but we likely won't see those until Arrow Lake anyway.
anything, even the cheapest new Intel CPU will beat the crap out of your 3770k
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Gigabyte AORUS Z890 PRO ICE Motherboard PCB Leaks Out, Confirms Support For Intel Core Ultra Desktop CPUs
Gigabyte's AORUS Z890 PRO ICE motherboard's PCB has leaked out which has spilled the beans on Intel's Core Ultra Desktop CPU family.
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Is 15th Gen worth it, when I look at 15th Gen I now do so warily, due to the 13th/14th Gen issues, and its limited life span, especially when compared to AMD's commitment to supporting it's platforms long term, I am for the first time ever considering switching to AMD.
I could have let the 13th/14th Gen issue slip, mistakes happen, but Intel's lack of response has shaken my long term faith in Intel CPUs.
I bought a 12th Gen CPU, knowing that LGA1700 would have 2-3 years at best, but I planned on upgrading my CPU to a 14th Gen CPU when it became EOL, and extend the life of my PC, but that is no longer viable, as you cannot be sure if the CPU you buy will last.
When I look at 15th Gen now I do so warily and ask would a 9800X3D, over any of the Intel Core Ultra CPUs, be the better choice, for stability, reliability, support and upgrade-ability.
I could have let the 13th/14th Gen issue slip, mistakes happen, but Intel's lack of response has shaken my long term faith in Intel CPUs.
I bought a 12th Gen CPU, knowing that LGA1700 would have 2-3 years at best, but I planned on upgrading my CPU to a 14th Gen CPU when it became EOL, and extend the life of my PC, but that is no longer viable, as you cannot be sure if the CPU you buy will last.
When I look at 15th Gen now I do so warily and ask would a 9800X3D, over any of the Intel Core Ultra CPUs, be the better choice, for stability, reliability, support and upgrade-ability.
It'll be competitive and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it beats 15th gen in games comfortably.
If Intel release some kind of statement that we can be confident in before you're ready to buy (and compensate everyone who got a broken one), then I'd consider 15th gen, but until then: nope.
I would think that the 15th gen would not have the same issues as 14th but I could understand why people may be abit cautious and I'll keep my 13600K as its been 100% fine and have no real intrest in any other 13/14 gen CPU as a cpu or gpu running 250w is half my power supply budget. Kind of a blessing in disguise now thinking about it. 
Best in slot CPU's for some end of life plaform's is kinda a waste of time as I bought a second hand 12600K for £210 while a second hand 9900K upgrade for my z370 was £240-280 and 7700K cpu's remained high for a very long time to the point where other AMD and intel options where better.
Best in slot CPU's for some end of life plaform's is kinda a waste of time as I bought a second hand 12600K for £210 while a second hand 9900K upgrade for my z370 was £240-280 and 7700K cpu's remained high for a very long time to the point where other AMD and intel options where better.
No one knows really, however given the current unclear issues I'd be wary of going 15th until either 9x00 proves itself performance/value wise or Intel come out with an actual answer to the current issues.