Hasn't been proven yet what the problem is.
In terms of bus architecture if it was a fairly minor update that is basically what it would look like, talk is it is 2x 6P tiles with internal ring bus and high bandwidth switch but dunno about that.
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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851
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Hasn't been proven yet what the problem is.
In terms of bus architecture if it was a fairly minor update that is basically what it would look like, talk is it is 2x 6P tiles with internal ring bus and high bandwidth switch but dunno about that.
Hmm, that's not what I remember?
Wikipedia says (base, all-core, max-boost):
11900K: 3.5, 4.8, 5.3
10900K: 3.7, 4.8, 5.3
11700K: 3.6, 4.6, 5.0
10700K: 3.8, 4.7, 5.1
11600K: 3.9, 4.6, 4.9
10600K: 4.1, 4.5, 4.8
I have a hard time getting my head around 10th gen performance heh - it has kind of dated badly but at the same time still relevant - my Legion Go for example has stronger single thread and not hideously behind for multi-thread:
Lenovo Legion Go 687/6288 in CPU-z for ST/MT, 10900K stock 577/7136 according to the CPU-z site though most people are talking ~630/7200 for stock.
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(EDIT: Slightly overclocked actually 10900K)
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Lenovo Legion Go 687/6288 in CPU-z for ST/MT, 10900K stock 577/7136 according to the CPU-z site though most people are talking ~630/7200 for stock.
AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme @ 4214.64 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR
[xf86bg] Validated Dump by Anonymous (2023-12-21 16:14:55) - MB: LENOVO LNVNB161216 - RAM: 16384 MB
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(EDIT: Slightly overclocked actually 10900K)
Intel Core i9 10900K @ 5198.75 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR
[w7t9ti] Validated Dump by RAZER (2020-11-05 19:56:29) - MB: ASRock Z490 PG Velocita - RAM: 65536 MB
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Oh right, what I was trying to say about Rocket was that maybe since Intel knew their 14nm process so good, they didn't go crazy with the clocks on 11th gen, but they have made that mistake with their new process after 12th gen.Sorry, I misread Rocket Lake as Raptor Lake
What buildzoid suggests would make sense, since I'd guess their engineering data about 14nm would be very extensive after using it for so long.
I see 10th gen as "peak-Skylake" and Skylake always had strong performance at high clocks. It is surprising how even now the 8700K can cling on against modern i5s and get decent-enough gaming performance. It took AMD until Zen 3 to consistently beat it.
It is definitely starting to age as an architecture though and 11th gen onward are pulling ahead more meaningfully. Arrow Lake kind of reminds me of 11th gen, due to the loss of hyper threading it has been compromised, but over the longer-term those advantages (like a higher base IPC) will show.
Yeah I don't think Intel were happy or comfortable pushing Raptor Lake to such high clocks. They were forced to, due to Zen4's performance, especially the X3D chips.
I think the 13900K should have been the highest stock frequency used for Intel 7 process, perhaps with 100Mhz less top boost and all core.
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I have a 17 13700k (edit) don't know which one would be a upgrade?
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Not sure if thats a good idea with next gen, reports of Arrow lakes TJMax being raised to 105c, wont that just cause more problems?
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Tbf any from that old piece of ****
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I upgraded from i7 4770K to i5 12600K and the difference in gaming performance was astonishing...I hadn't realised how much the CPU was holding back frame-rates! Literally doubled my FPS with that change.
even an i3-12100/12100F is an upgrade from a 3770K, but at the current prices (and assuming you want to avoid 13th/14th): 12600K/12600KF.
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Opps typo. I meant 17 13700k? lol
My Xeon 1650 V2 of that era albeit highly clocked held up pretty well upto a 3070 - not sure it would have done so well with the 4080 Super I've got in my gaming setup now but I've not tested that combination hah.
Oh, the short answer is we don't know yet. I suspect the difference in games won't be that big, but I guess we'll see... A 9800X3D could be worth it, but we likely won't see those until Arrow Lake anyway.
anything, even the cheapest new Intel CPU will beat the crap out of your 3770k
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