Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

Journey · 20 Sep 2017 at 12:40

gavinh87 said:
You've got this all wrong mate, buy ryzen and be happy like the rest of us......

How can I have it wrong? I've got a 4770, and an R5 1600, and a 3770, and a 4770T, I forget... too many to list. Which reminds me I need to have another clear out at some point.

gavinh87 · 20 Sep 2017 at 12:50

jigger said:
Just about everything you type is wrong. Go back about 3 pages, when you attempted to pull me up about a 6 core seeing off every quad core for the 10 years. But now one day later Gavin has changed his mind. Less than a day Gavin.

Isn't that 6 core at like 4.5ghz? Get ryzen to 4.5ghz and I'd expect that to see off quads lol.

gavinh87 · 20 Sep 2017 at 12:54

jigger said:
Just about everything you type is wrong. Go back about 3 pages, when you attempted to pull me up about a 6 core seeing off every quad core for the 10 years. But now one day later Gavin has changed his mind. Less than a day Gavin.

Please give examples of this "everything"
As I've said so far we've had 1700 is as fast as a 6950x, ryzen has kabylake IPC. Yet i talk rubbish??

Can we change the name of this thread to the ryzen circle jerk?

Rainmaker · 20 Sep 2017 at 13:02

I do find it amusing that the only guy actively arguing against Ryzen is the only guy with a Ryzen rig in his sig...

jigger · 20 Sep 2017 at 13:05

Rainmaker said:
I do find it amusing that the only guy actively arguing against Ryzen is the only guy with a Ryzen rig in his sig...

I have Ryzen systems. My Xoen is pretty new and its the only system that survived the cull.

gavinh87 · 20 Sep 2017 at 13:24

jigger said:
Come on now Gavin. Knock the crap off. If you expected the hex core to beat the quad you wouldnt have had a pop would you.

I think you have short term memory issues.
I'm keeping my am4 board just in case AMD manage to get decent clock speeds out of the 7nm zen.
A 5ghz 8+ cores would be a very nice chip.
As it stands, 3.8-4.0 doesn't cut it.

Why does intel need to change the memory controller? From what I've seen intel isnt gimped by memory and has no issues hitting +3600mhz speeds.

gavinh87 · 20 Sep 2017 at 13:25

Intel 8-core LGA1151 Processor For Z390 Could Be 14 nm Coffee Lake After All

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/in...390_could_be_14_nm_coffee_lake_after_all.html

SiDeards73 · 20 Sep 2017 at 13:27

Come on lads lets just agree to disagree here and move on, we know info is slow coming, lets speculate about the Coffee Lake product rather than Ryzen vs core counts on intel chips etc.

So realisticly, what are our expectations with 8700k?

I'll start off by saying i dont expect it to clock as high as the 7700k, obviously more cores on the same chip size is going to generate more heat no?

I expect were all going to need to delid and change the TIM, Intel are scrimping here and its ridiculous.

I expect it to be around the £400 mark at release for a few weeks due to demand and just because.

I expect it will become to go to chip for gamers who stream, IF it can do both effectively at the same time.

jigger · 20 Sep 2017 at 13:28

gavinh87 said:
I think you have short term memory issues.
I'm keeping my am4 board just in case AMD manage to get decent clock speeds out of the 7nm zen.
A 5ghz 8+ cores would be a very nice chip.
As it stands, 3.8-4.0 doesn't cut it.

Why does intel need to change the memory controller? From what I've seen intel isnt gimped by memory and has no issues hitting +3600mhz speeds.

Because Intel can make some huge gains in performance Gavin. Enjoy your b0rked Asus board. Please stop quoting me.

chroniclard · 20 Sep 2017 at 13:31

Which games are you having issues with Gavin?

jigger · 20 Sep 2017 at 13:35

SiDeards73 said:
Come on lads lets just agree to disagree here and move on, we know info is slow coming, lets speculate about the Coffee Lake product rather than Ryzen vs core counts on intel chips etc.

So realisticly, what are our expectations with 8700k?

I'll start off by saying i dont expect it to clock as high as the 7700k, obviously more cores on the same chip size is going to generate more heat no?

I expect were all going to need to delid and change the TIM, Intel are scrimping here and its ridiculous.

I expect it to be around the £400 mark at release for a few weeks due to demand and just because.

I expect it will become to go to chip for gamers who stream, IF it can do both effectively at the same time.

Taking into account this seems to be a product born out of panic or pressure from Intel's shareholders I'd say Coffee Lake is probably nothing more than the quad core design with two cores tacked on. If thats the case then fine it finally moves us away 4 ******** core i7s.

If Intel have done a little more than that they could make a bit of bigger jump and Coffee Lake could turn out to be a little more than CoffeeMaker.

gavinh87 · 20 Sep 2017 at 13:35

SiDeards73 said:
Come on lads lets just agree to disagree here and move on, we know info is slow coming, lets speculate about the Coffee Lake product rather than Ryzen vs core counts on intel chips etc.

So realisticly, what are our expectations with 8700k?

I'll start off by saying i dont expect it to clock as high as the 7700k, obviously more cores on the same chip size is going to generate more heat no?

I expect were all going to need to delid and change the TIM, Intel are scrimping here and its ridiculous.

I expect it to be around the £400 mark at release for a few weeks due to demand and just because.

I expect it will become to go to chip for gamers who stream, IF it can do both effectively at the same time.

If the screens are to be believed then 5.2ghz is possible, without a delid apparently but he is using a custom loop.

jigger said:
Because Intel can make some huge gains in performance Gavin. Enjoy your b0rked Asus board. Please stop quoting me.

Go run >3200mhz on other boards and see how you get on.
I suppose @Ste on his gigabyte board also has faulty hardware. Ask 8pack why he delayed the 3200mhz profile, yep cold boot issues lol.

Faulty board or not, these coffeelakes are going to destroy ryzen in gaming just as the 7700k does now.

Ryzen cannot compete with haswell.

I'll stop quoting you now, let you get on with contributing to this thread. If you could try to do it without bringing ryzen into it that'd also be appreciated.

Hagar · 20 Sep 2017 at 13:38

Smffy said:
Probably, October isn't far off so time will tell... if you take through the thread you'll learn nothing - for some reason it's become a 'Reasons Ryzen is better than everything' spam fest...

That will always happen AMD>Intel, Intel >AMD. It is the absence of facts on the ground two weeks out from release.

Each generational release from either camp it happens.

Wait for a User or Reviews thread IMO.

IT Troll · 20 Sep 2017 at 13:57

gavinh87 said:
Intel 8-core LGA1151 Processor For Z390 Could Be 14 nm Coffee Lake After All

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/intel_8_core_lga1151_processor_for_z390_could_be_14_nm_coffee_lake_after_all.html

Interesting. News sites assumed the 2018 8-core would be Ice Lake because Intel said Ice Lake would be well under production in 2018. But it does probably make more sense for this to be another spin on 14nm, if they are struggling with 10nm. This means they can get this to market sooner and perhaps release Ice Lake alongside 400-series motherboards.

jigger · 20 Sep 2017 at 14:02

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The Core i5 8400 looks the only reasonable value SKU there.

Yeah that seems like it could offer a level of performance we dont currently have or haven't seen before for the price. It's the best looking chip of the bunch by far.

Someone said they can buy the 8400 for £140 plus VAT from China so UK prices should be a little lower from big retailers.

gavinh87 · 20 Sep 2017 at 14:07

IT Troll said:
Interesting. News sites assumed the 2018 8-core would be Ice Lake because Intel said Ice Lake would be well under production in 2018. But it does probably make more sense for this to be another spin on 14nm, if they are struggling with 10nm. This means they can get this to market sooner and perhaps release Ice Lake alongside 400-series motherboards.

I dont see no reason for the 8core not to run on the z370 either now. Though this is intel, so........

AndreiD · 20 Sep 2017 at 14:31

SiDeards73 said:
Come on lads lets just agree to disagree here and move on, we know info is slow coming, lets speculate about the Coffee Lake product rather than Ryzen vs core counts on intel chips etc.

So realisticly, what are our expectations with 8700k?

I'll start off by saying i dont expect it to clock as high as the 7700k, obviously more cores on the same chip size is going to generate more heat no?

I expect were all going to need to delid and change the TIM, Intel are scrimping here and its ridiculous.

I expect it to be around the £400 mark at release for a few weeks due to demand and just because.

I expect it will become to go to chip for gamers who stream, IF it can do both effectively at the same time.

It's just a few pro-AMD trolls spilling their nonsense in this thread.

My expectations are just a 7700K with 2 extra cores. Coffee Lake is supposedly on a more refined process so I'm expecting it to reach around 4.8 to 5Ghz without delid and it will probably land around the £350 mark price wise.
For gamers it won't change much since the 7700K is already the best you can buy, the 2 extra cores and extra L3 cache (mainly the L3 cache) should make the 8700K slightly faster in some games, that's about it.

jigger · 20 Sep 2017 at 14:34

AndreiD said:
It's just a few pro-AMD trolls spilling their nonsense in this thread.

My expectations are just a 7700K with 2 extra cores. Coffee Lake is supposedly on a more refined process so I'm expecting it to reach around 4.8 to 5Ghz without delid and it will probably land around the £350 mark price wise.
For gamers it won't change much since the 7700K is already the best you can buy, the 2 extra cores and extra L3 cache (mainly the L3 cache) should make the 8700K slightly faster in some games, that's about it.

Careful. 6 cores are the minimum according to Gavin. I'd edit that post or he'll be on you like a hobo on a ham sandwich.

I would ask why you feel L3 cache is important but I'm not sure it's worth it. What are you at for the l3 200 300 clocks. Can't see how missing two faster states helps.

humbug · 20 Sep 2017 at 14:37

jigger said:
Careful. 6 cores are the minimum according to Gavin. I'd edit that post or he'll be on you like a hobo on a ham sandwich.

Wait, yesterday in arguments with me the only think that was important to him was single threaded performance.

Does he have two conflicting arguments going on?

Simon Belmont · 20 Sep 2017 at 14:51

gavinh87 said:
I dont see no reason for the 8core not to run on the z370 either now. Though this is intel, so........

I hope it does. Why buy a z370 then?

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