Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

jigger · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:09

IT Troll said:
I can definitely tell the difference between 1fps and 8fps. Please send me haribo.

LOL. Send address.

Doobedoo · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:09

gavinh87 said:
No, the 2600k is nowhere near the 7700k. It is however, in the screens andrei posted faster than the 1800x. Which it shouldn't be but who's going to fix that?
Whats saying we aren't going to see it again? Very hit and miss performance with ryzen and gaming.

Which one?

jigger · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:10

gavinh87 said:
No, the 2600k is nowhere near the 7700k. It is however, in the screens andrei posted faster than the 1800x. Which it shouldn't be but who's going to fix that?
Whats saying we aren't going to see it again? Very hit and miss performance with ryzen and gaming.

So buy ryzen and hope game devs can make use of my hardware? Or get intel and know that the i7 will be at the top?

No Gavin. No need for hope. Expect.

gavinh87 · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:13

Doobedoo said:
Which one?

F1

jigger said:
No Gavin. No need for hope. Expect.

Do we have anything that supports this? I'm not trying to call you out but I've seen nothing to suggest that ryzen is going to improve in games.
Don't say consoles are the reason because weve seen forza 7 to hammer 2 cores. We also had this argument in the ps3 era and that never happened, games still preferred a fast quad core.

GAC · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:13

gavinh87 said:
The difference from 60-120 isn't as big as 120-165hz no, but I can tell.

im glad im old deaf and blind, im rather happy at 60

jigger · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:14

gavinh87 said:
The difference from 60-120 isn't as big as 120-165hz no, but I can tell.

Shame only a few games can make use of 165FPS and not many PC systems and monitors can keep up in real time. I call BS on your on your feels thought.

jigger · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:15

gavinh87 said:
F1

Do we have anything that supports this? I'm not trying to call you out but I've seen nothing to suggest that ryzen is going to improve in games.
Don't say consoles are the reason because weve seen forza 7 to hammer 2 cores. We also had this argument in the ps3 era and that never happened, games still preferred a fast quad core.

Apart from the fact Ryzen is a match for anything else you mean.

The PS3 wasn't pinching it's hardware direct from the PC AND Microsoft didn't have as much riding it's console's success.

Doobedoo · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:17

gavinh87 said:
F1

So were talking 125fps vs 145 fps again. I'm going to start calling you Zornyan if you keep it up lol. I don't want to see one more reference to a dual core chip. It's 2017 ffs.

Damn even Intel has got rid of dual core with coffeelake and offloaded it on to x299. Let's continue making progress can we.

AndreiD · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:20

Doobedoo said:
So were talking 125fps vs 145 fps again. I'm going to start calling you Zornyan if you keep it up lol. I don't want to see one more reference to a dual core chip. It's 2017 ffs.

Weird how in 2017 more cores aren't always better for tasks that rely on single core performance. weeeeeeird.

gavinh87 · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:20

jigger said:
Apart from the fact Ryzen is a match for anything else you mean.

Except for destiny 2 where it loses to an i3.
Again, you say these things but provide nothing to back it up. How are we expecting ryzen to get faster outside of hoping that devs scale the engines?

Doobedoo said:
So were talking 125fps vs 145 fps again. I'm going to start calling you Zornyan if you keep it up lol. I don't want to see one more reference to a dual core chip. It's 2017 ffs.

Still, 20 fps slower. With no real reason for it since we know ryzen is faster than sandy. Games seem to prefer intel, theres no gettting away from that.
Who mentioned a dual core lol? I mentioned an i3 twice.....

The advice so far has been if a game doesn't like AMD then don't buy it.

gavinh87 · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:24

jigger said:
Shame only a few games can make use of 165FPS and not many PC systems and monitors can keep up in real time.

Interested on what these games are. Not many PC's and monitors can keep up in real time in 165hz? WTF does that even mean lol
It can either do 165hz or it cannot.

Doobedoo · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:27

AndreiD said:
Weird how in 2017 more cores aren't always better for tasks that rely on single core performance. weeeeeeird.

Then stop recommending the 8700k.

jigger · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:28

gavinh87 said:
Except for destiny 2 where it loses to an i3.
Again, you say these things but provide nothing to back it up. How are we expecting ryzen to get faster outside of hoping that devs scale the engines?

The advice so far has been if a game doesn't like AMD then don't buy it.

Maybe thats how you read posts because of your slanted view.

So the PC version of destiny is locked to two cores. That's a great way to even the hardware deficit between the PC. Let me take a guess you bought the game because it favours a single Intel core. I know lateral thinking isn't your strong point but maybe you should mull over your arguments again.

gavinh87 · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:32

jigger said:
Maybe thats how you read posts because of your slanted view.

So the PC version of destiny is locked to two cores. That's a great way to even the hardware deficit between the PC. Let me take a guess you bought the game because it favours a single Intel core. I know lateral thinking isn't your strong point but maybe you should mull over your arguments again.

Except it doesn't, it uses 8 cores. But it doesn't use SMT.
Even with destiny not using SMT thats still 8 cores vs 2 and it loses out.
https://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/3038-destiny-2-beta-cpu-benchmarks-testing-research

Conveniently ignoring my request to show anything that shows ryzen is getting faster........

Doobedoo · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:32

gavinh87 said:
Still, 20 fps slower. With no real reason for it since we know ryzen is faster than sandy. Games seem to prefer intel, theres no gettting away from that.
Who mentioned a dual core lol? I mentioned an i3 twice.....

It's all about context Gavin. That 20fps is not going to matter to the vast majority. If you need it then yes get the one that suits your purpose but you and your mate are coming across like the others do not do the job properly, when they quite clearly do.

Let's clarify for all those that do not already know. A 8700k/7700k will get you the absolute highest fps in the known universe. Others will not but they will be perfectly adequate for gaming and more if you should need your cpu to do more.

AndreiD · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:33

I posted earlier benches with lots of recent games that favor single core performance, not just Destiny 2.
As is, if you want inferior gaming performance for whatever reason, you buy Ryzen, if not, you either get Kaby or Coffee Lake.

Ryzen works well if you can actually use the cores, but I doubt that many people on here do, including the AMD evangelists @jigger and @Doobedoo

jigger · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:34

AndreiD said:
Weird how in 2017 more cores aren't always better for tasks that rely on single core performance. weeeeeeird.

That is very strange isn't it. In any other situation than gaming that simply not the case. Do you think it might be worth asking why that is.

AndreiD · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:35

Doobedoo said:
That 20fps is not going to matter to the vast majority.

All that needs to be quoted from @Doobedoo from now on

jigger · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:36

gavinh87 said:
Except it doesn't, it uses 8 cores. But it doesn't use SMT.
Even with destiny not using SMT thats still 8 cores vs 2 and it loses out.
https://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/3038-destiny-2-beta-cpu-benchmarks-testing-research

Conveniently ignoring my request to show anything that shows ryzen is getting faster........

Yet a dual core is beating an 8 core. Strange that isn't it

gavinh87 · 23 Sep 2017 at 17:36

AndreiD said:
All that needs to be quoted from @Doobedoo from now on

That 20fps is a 1070 to a 1080 lol

jigger said:
Yet a dual core is beating an 8 core. Strange that isn't it

Exactly, my whole damn point here is hope devs make use of ryzen of suffer if they do not.
Or, get an i7 and know it will be king for gaming, and with the 8700k you also get decent multi core performance.