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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

jigger said:
Yeah.


No but you might as well say that. The difference is tiny between between all the versions of the i7.

You're the one saying developers work with more than a few cores not me. Although you can't even seem to make up your mind about that. One minute cores count is important and the next it's not. But only when it suits what angle you was last arguing from. I'm trying to understand what makes you say things when they fly in the face of your previous arguments.

You are using a Windows PC arnt you?
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I might aswell say that? So now you are putting words into my mouth.
Cores help with the smoothness of games, one thing I noticed with ryzen is lower frametimes. Core speed is also important, as we've shown.
I cba with you anymore jigger. Even when you are proved to be talking crap you still carry it on.
When asked for any kind of proof of your claims you ignore the post. Its hard to have a discussion with someone who has their fingers in their ears.

I'll return posting here when we are actually talking about the CPUs in question, coffeelake.
 
Doobedoo said:
Then stop recommending the 8700k.
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The 8700K can get the best single-thread performance while maintaining about the same multi-thread performance of the Ryzen 1700. It's a very decent choice.

AndreiD said:
I posted earlier benches with lots of recent games that favor single core performance, not just Destiny 2.
As is, if you want inferior gaming performance for whatever reason, you buy Ryzen, if not, you either get Kaby or Coffee Lake.

Ryzen works well if you can actually use the cores, but I doubt that many people on here do, including the AMD evangelists @jigger and @Doobedoo
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By the time they can prove that over 20% games they play can hit above 90% usage for an 8-core, I'd be happy to donate them a free Ryzen 1700 :) Why free? Because when the year comes, the second-hand resales value of a Ryzen 1700 can be negligible.

jigger said:
You knowIntel have a dual core X299 on the way. That chip should overclock really well and run 4600Mhz memory. So buy a dual core and stop spouting complete nonsense.
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Is the X299 dual-core using Mesh or Ring? Only the latter is great for gaming. Besides, there are a decent number of games scaling well beyond 2 cores right now. (Still, name me which games can scale well beyond 4 cores?)
 
gavinh87 said:
I might aswell say that? So now you are putting words into my mouth.
Cores help with the smoothness of games, one thing I noticed with ryzen is lower frametimes. Core speed is also important, as we've shown.
I cba with you anymore jigger. Even when you are proved to be talking crap you still carry it on.
When asked for any kind of proof of your claims you ignore the post. Its hard to have a discussion with someone who has their fingers in their ears.

I'll return posting here when we are actually talking about the CPUs in question, coffeelake.
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You keep pointing out Ryzen is around the same performance per core as Haswell, yet ignore the fact Kabylake has around the same performance Haswell too. How many time have you been over this?
 
jigger said:
Honestly I'm not sure how much performance gains you get from going from 2966Mhz to 3400Mhz my hunch is not a great deal. Ryzen uses memory pretty efficiently and you might find the limit is core clock speed. Plus in games that seem to the main focus memory band with will only be important to a point.
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It's been posted before, many times.

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Don't want to ekep going on but I just want to say this.

No one is doubting that the 8700k/7700k will get you the highest fps all I'm saying ryzen will get you close enough to where it doesn't matter to the majority. If you have a high refresh monitor, then sure it's a factor otherwise it's not really.

Anyway that's enough for the Amd vs Intel nonsense. Anyone either purchasing or looking at Coffee Lake I'm sure It will serve you well for many years to come. Happy gaming :).

voidshatter said:
It's been posted before, many times.
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No need to post it again then. Not sure what your trying to tell us really.
 
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Doobedoo said:
Don't want to eep going on but I just want to say this.

No one is doubting that the 8700k/7700k will get you the highest fps all I'm saying ryzen will get you lose enough to where it doesn't matter to the majority. If you have a high refresh monitor, then sure it's a factor otherwise it's not really.

Anyway that's enough for the Amd vs Intel nonsense. Anyone either purchasing or looking at Coffee Lake I'm sure It will serve you well for many years to come. Happy gaming :).
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That's a way too rounded and sensible statement to make. How dare you be so thoughtful.
 
jigger said:
Well if the game is well written then you shouldn't see cores at 100% that would mean you have a bottleneck. Let's me guess when you look at Ryzen you think OMG look at how crap Ryzen is. The CPU load never goes over 25% but look at the i7 at 90% load all cores. Has it never occurred to you that Ryzen is a few slower than Kaby at a quarter of the load.

It interesting that we have no CPUs fit for gaming. I would argue we have boat loads of them just now. You three keep pointing out how many CPU's we have actually. But I see we are now on the new page sobyouve all probably forgot again.
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Let's clarify what is bottleneck first :)

a) When the whole CPU utilisation is above 90%, and at the same time the GPU utilisation is well below 90%, then the bottleneck is the multi-thread performance of the CPU.

b) When one core of the CPU is fully utilised while many other cores are idle, and at the same time the GPU utilisation is well below 90%, then the bottleneck is the single-thread performance of the CPU.

c) Whenever the GPU utilisation is above 98%, the bottleneck is the GPU, not the CPU.

As with case b), it's like you are running a small company of 8 slack guys with most of them doing almost nothing. It's better to fire them and hire 4 elite guys fully engaged in their work.
 
voidshatter said:
Let's clarify what is bottleneck first :)

a) When the whole CPU utilisation is above 90%, and at the same time the GPU utilisation is well below 90%, then the bottleneck is the multi-thread performance of the CPU.

b) When one core of the CPU is fully utilised while many other cores are idle, and at the same time the GPU utilisation is well below 90%, then the bottleneck is the single-thread performance of the CPU.

c) Whenever the GPU utilisation is above 98%, the bottleneck is the GPU, not the CPU.

As with case b), it's like you are running a small company of 8 slack guys with most of them doing almost nothing. It's better to fire them and hire 4 elite guys fully engaged in their work.
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You can arugue those situations all ways. It's not a simple topic.
 
jigger said:
You can arugue those situations all ways. It's not a simple topic.
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Please don't my head hurts :)

voidshatter said:
I can't link competitors here.

2x F4-3600C15D-16GTZ: £500
2x GFY416GB2666C15DC: £245

That's a price difference of £255. I can't see how Ryzen is being cheaper while it needs some 3400C14 memory kits to keep up in the game.
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Why are you re-posting irrelevant info that no one asked for, or cares for?
 
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Ryzen RAM compatibility is actually very relevant, you need to spend a lot more on RAM if you want the best performance out of the platform, which is something you don't really need to do on other platforms.
 
It's actually interesting how misleading a lot of Ryzen benches are when reviewers are using CL14 >3200Mhz Samsung B-die kits which are quite a bit more expensive than regular Hynix ones, but you won't see @jigger and @Doobedoo talk about that.
 
voidshatter said:
Someone argues that price is an advantage for Ryzen. I object it by showing that the memory kits for Ryzen is not cheap.
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I'm running 2966Mhz with really cheap RAM. You don't need expensive RAM but if you do want to min max the crap out of a Ryzen system then a set of B Die is about £20 more than Hynix. How many situation you'll see a boost from faster memory is a bit of an unknown. It would depend on the work IMO.
 
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