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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

So many stick in my head. How about Ryzen is 30% slower than Kaby. Or Ryzen is b0rked because you have cold boot problems.

Ryzen is 30% slower than kaby in destiny and other games.
I and many others have cold boot problems lol, I have given evidence where asus acknowledge that >3200mhz has boot issues when temps are below 20c.

Again, show me where I posted something incorrect.

Meanwhile.... Wheres that cpuz?
The claim you made about me posting crap, still waiting for that.
The claim where ryzen is improving all the time.
Windows is the reason ryzen suffers in some games.
The difference is tiny between between all the versions of the i7
Ryzen is equal to the 6950x

Need I go on? Not once have you provided any evidence to backup anything you say.
I'll continue the discussion when you give evidence for the above, until then its all fud.
 
Ryzen is 30% slower than kaby in destiny and other games.
I and many others have cold boot problems lol, I have given evidence where asus acknowledge that >3200mhz has boot issues when temps are below 20c.

Again, show me where I posted something incorrect.

Meanwhile.... Wheres that cpuz?

Ryzen is miles faster than my Skylake system. They're not in the same league. Even stock vs overclocked.
 
Sorry but you are ill informed, as I have built many Ryzen systems now, using various RAM kits, with the newer AGESA 1.0.0.6(b) you can easily manage 2933MHz C14 on a normal off the shelf kit that OCUK sell for £119.50 for 2x8GB. I've also used normal Corsair LPX 3200MHz kit circa £145-150 and they ran at 3200MHz, with 14-14-14-32-48 zero issues. It's when you get to 3466MHZ you start to see problems.

Also the difference between 3000MHz and 3200MHz is ~2% on average, running at 3.8-3.9GHz on a six core CPU, I've carried out extensive testing for both performance and maximum stability, I'd love to say 3466MHz made a huge differene when I can get it to work first time, but it doesn't unless i start getting the CPU's to 4.1GHz and then they just fall over after 30 mins.

To sum up, no super fast RAM is not needed, and all RAM is expensive especially when you chose silly kits.

This is obviously contradicting the Ryzen's memory statistics as well as the youtube video. Why don't you make your way to the stable club first and post numbers?
 
Ryzen is miles faster than my Skylake system. They're not in the same league. Even stock vs overclockers.

Again, tactical reading. How about you respond to these before making even more claims without evidence.

The claim you made about me posting crap, still waiting for that.
The claim where ryzen is improving all the time.
Windows is the reason ryzen suffers in some games.
The difference is tiny between between all the versions of the i7
Ryzen is equal to the 6950x

Still waiting for that cpuz......
 
You can arugue those situations all ways. It's not a simple topic.

We can always make it simple. In any year when at least 20% AAA games released in that year can score better average fps with 1st gen Ryzen than with Kaby Lake, I'd be glad to donate a free 1st gen Ryzen to whomever finds it first. :)
 
Again, tactical reading. How about you respond to these before making even more claims without evidence.

The claim you made about me posting crap, still waiting for that.
The claim where ryzen is improving all the time.
Windows is the reason ryzen suffers in some games.
The difference is tiny between between all the versions of the i7
Ryzen is equal to the 6950x

Still waiting for that cpuz......

This post is crap. Remove your use of the word some and it's all crap.
 
You buy the same kits for either side. It's you insinuating that for some reason you need to spend £500 on ram. Your misleading on purpose.

No, I don't need fast memory for Kaby Lake or Coffee Lake. Ring architecture does not require fast memory for gaming. Only Zeppelin die architecture needs fast memory.
 
@Journey
It's not like we have plenty of Ryzen posts on this forum with people having trouble getting their Hynix RAM that high... no sir.
And it would be helpful if you provided some CPU-Z validate links to back your claims of having built many systems that got to 2933Mhz CL14 on Hynix, especially of that 3200 LPX kit that runs at '14-14-14-32-48' :D

And we've had plenty of benches in here which show that RAM does make a difference, especially higher than 3200.

Yes, it was a nightmare to get anything that was not Samsung running previously, but it is not the case now. So I should hope there were lots of people complaining, since that is how the problem has been recognised, and partially resolved. I would like to see the ability to get beyond 3200MHz, as the higher you clock the CPU's the more the memory speed matters, but currently you are having to put circa 1.40-1.45v, into them for stability, which isn't ideally.

So faster than 3200MHz, where would you like to see the difference, I'll put my test system to stock clocks, and run the memory at whatever speed you want, and test it in an application (if it's free). Anything that is obviously using huge memory bandwidth will so a difference relative to the percentage difference in clock speed, but normal none benchmarky applications will show it's much lower. SO... REAL WORLD PERFORMANCE is what I am getting at.

I know you may find it hard to believe, but I don't give a damn what people buy/use, I do this for a living, hence why I don't dismiss either choice, be it Intel or AMD, and for the time being we are using more Intel due mainly to the lack of APU's. What I don't like it people who have clear platform preferences due to some weird inability to admit sometimes, other things work as well or better than what they have or what they like, it's sad, and shows how close minded people are. Arguments aside, there is not a single reason that people should be fed duff information, and hearsay, it helps no one, and only causes unneeded arguments and ill-informed decisions. :)
 
We can always make it simple. In any year when at least 20% AAA games released in that year can score better average fps with 1st gen Ryzen than with Kaby Lake, I'd be glad to donate a free 1st gen Ryzen to whomever finds it first. :)

And I'll donate a b350 tomahawk to go with it.

This post is crap. Remove your use of the word some and it's all crap.

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean its crap lol
The claim you made about me posting crap, still waiting for that.
The claim where ryzen is improving all the time.
Windows is the reason ryzen suffers in some games.
The difference is tiny between between all the versions of the i7
Ryzen is equal to the 6950x

Still waiting for that cpuz......

Are you a politician? you dodge these questions like a pro.
 
This thread is getting boring. Its always top of the cpu subforum but when I check in for any news or meaningful insight its just page after page of the usual suspect intel and AMD fanboys going at it like deranged angry rabbits.
 
I did nothing special with the memory. The system just worked at 2933Mhz. So unless I'm lucky as hell Hynix has a working profile now.

So you are suggesting that 2933MHz with whatever CL can match the gaming performance of 3400C14? Note that I'm talking about gaming performance where inter-core communication latency is important, not something like Cinebench where broadcast and gather instructions are hardly executed.
 
This thread is getting boring. Its always top of the cpu subforum but when I check in for any news or meaningful insight its just page after page of the usual suspect intel and AMD fanboys going at it like deranged angry rabbits.

I'm not sided with any team. For gaming I just simply don't recommend low frequency CPUs like Intel 5960X or Ryzen 1800X. It's deadly simple for me: no 5GHz, no buy.
 
Yes, it was a nightmare to get anything that was not Samsung running previously, but it is not the case now. So I should hope there were lots of people complaining, since that is how the problem has been recognised, and partially resolved. I would like to see the ability to get beyond 3200MHz, as the higher you clock the CPU's the more the memory speed matters, but currently you are having to put circa 1.40-1.45v, into them for stability, which isn't ideally.

So faster than 3200MHz, where would you like to see the difference, I'll put my test system to stock clocks, and run the memory at whatever speed you want, and test it in an application (if it's free). Anything that is obviously using huge memory bandwidth will so a difference relative to the percentage difference in clock speed, but normal none benchmarky applications will show it's much lower. SO... REAL WORLD PERFORMANCE is what I am getting at.

I know you may find it hard to believe, but I don't give a damn what people buy/use, I do this for a living, hence why I don't dismiss either choice, be it Intel or AMD, and for the time being we are using more Intel due mainly to the lack of APU's. What I don't like it people who have clear platform preferences due to some weird inability to admit sometimes, other things work as well or better than what they have or what they like, it's sad, and shows how close minded people are. Arguments aside, there is not a single reason that people should be fed duff information, and hearsay, it helps no one, and only causes unneeded arguments and ill-informed decisions. :)

I didn't try anything other than the profile but 3200Mhz caused a fit for me.
 
So you are suggesting that 2933MHz with whatever CL can match the gaming performance of 3400C14? Note that I'm talking about gaming performance where inter-core communication latency is important, not something like Cinebench where broadcast and gather instructions are hardly executed.

No but let's talk about that.
 
Okey, then where are the links of reviews showing that the gaming performance of 2933MHz with whatever CL you can stabilise with can match that of the 3400C14?

So you're another one. Ive never even tried to get 3200Mhz running. Why don't you tell me how much faster Ryzen is with 3400Mhz cas 14.
 
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