Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

Doobedoo · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:06

AndreiD said:
It's actually interesting how misleading a lot of Ryzen benches are when reviewers are using CL14 >3200Mhz Samsung B-die kits which are quite a bit more expensive than regular Hynix ones, but you won't see @jigger and @Doobedoo talk about that.

Mate what are you on about that's already been covered too. What is a matter with you people. You want to solely discuss coffee lake then great but don't be hypocritical and later have a dig.

AndreiD · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:08

jigger said:
I'm running 2966Mhz with really cheap RAM. You don't need expensive RAM but if you do want to min max the crap out of a Ryzen system then a set of B Die is about £20 more than Hynix. How many situation you'll see a boost from faster memory is a bit of an unknown. It would depend on the work IMO.

Can you CPU-Z validate that? I'd really like to see your Ryzen system running '2966Mhz with really cheap RAM'.

jigger · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:08

AndreiD said:
It's actually interesting how misleading a lot of Ryzen benches are when reviewers are using CL14 >3200Mhz Samsung B-die kits which are quite a bit more expensive than regular Hynix ones, but you won't see @jigger and @Doobedoo talk about that.

Maybe look in the memory forum a little more.

AndreiD · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:10

@Doobedoo You're the one trumpeting Ryzen in a Coffee Lake thread, so please...

@jigger Still waiting for that CPU-Z validate link, you can see mine in my forum sig.

gavinh87 · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:13

AndreiD said:
@Doobedoo You're the one trumpeting Ryzen in a Coffee Lake thread, so please...

@jigger Still waiting for that CPU-Z validate link, you can see mine in my forum sig.

You'll be waiting a while. So far he hasn't given any evidence to back his crazy claims.

jigger · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:15

gavinh87 said:
You'll be waiting a while. So far he hasn't given any evidence to back his crazy claims.

What crazy claims would those be again.

Doobedoo · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:16

AndreiD said:
@Doobedoo You're the one trumpeting Ryzen in a Coffee Lake thread, so please...

@jigger Still waiting for that CPU-Z validate link, you can see mine in my forum sig.

Not trumpeting mate just trying to balance things out and put a little perspective in place. Now stop talking about ryzen if you don't want to discuss it.

Journey · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:16

voidshatter said:
Someone argues that price is an advantage for Ryzen. I object it by showing that the memory kits for Ryzen is not cheap.

Sorry but you are ill informed, as I have built many Ryzen systems now, using various RAM kits, with the newer AGESA 1.0.0.6(b) you can easily manage 2933MHz C14 on a normal off the shelf kit that OCUK sell for £119.50 for 2x8GB. I've also used normal Corsair LPX 3200MHz kit circa £145-150 and they ran at 3200MHz, with 14-14-14-32-48 zero issues. It's when you get to 3466MHZ you start to see problems.

Also the difference between 3000MHz and 3200MHz is ~2% on average, running at 3.8-3.9GHz on a six core CPU, I've carried out extensive testing for both performance and maximum stability, I'd love to say 3466MHz made a huge differene when I can get it to work first time, but it doesn't unless i start getting the CPU's to 4.1GHz and then they just fall over after 30 mins.

To sum up, no super fast RAM is not needed, and all RAM is expensive especially when you chose silly kits.

gavinh87 · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:19

jigger said:
What crazy claims would those be again.

The claim you made about me posting crap, still waiting for that.
The claim where ryzen is improving all the time.
Windows is the reason ryzen suffers in some games.
The difference is tiny between between all the versions of the i7
Ryzen is equal to the 6950x

Need I go on? Not once have you provided any evidence to backup anything you say.
I'll continue the discussion when you give evidence for the above, until then its all fud.

jigger · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:22

AndreiD said:
@Doobedoo You're the one trumpeting Ryzen in a Coffee Lake thread, so please...

@jigger Still waiting for that CPU-Z validate link, you can see mine in my forum sig.

But I thought I wasn't to be taken seriously? Yeah know because my purpose is to big up Ryzen as the greatest CPU in the world. I could post an image of my cheap memory but would it mean anything?

AndreiD · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:22

@Journey
It's not like we have plenty of Ryzen posts on this forum with people having trouble getting their Hynix RAM that high... no sir.
And it would be helpful if you provided some CPU-Z validate links to back your claims of having built many systems that got to 2933Mhz CL14 on Hynix, especially of that 3200 LPX kit that runs at '14-14-14-32-48'

And we've had plenty of benches in here which show that RAM does make a difference, especially higher than 3200.

@jigger CPU-Z links please, show us your '2966Mhz RAM' on Ryzen, because when humbug asked me and gavin to prove we had Ryzen systems, we did.

jigger · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:23

gavinh87 said:
The claim you made about me posting crap, still waiting for that.
The claim where ryzen is improving all the time.
Windows is the reason ryzen suffers in some games.
The difference is tiny between between all the versions of the i7
Ryzen is equal to the 6950x

Need I go on? Not once have you provided any evidence to backup anything you say.
I'll continue the discussion when you give evidence for the above, until then its all fud.

Yeah just read back a few pages. Pick almost any one of your posts.

Doobedoo · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:25

voidshatter said:
Someone argues that price is an advantage for Ryzen. I object it by showing that the memory kits for Ryzen is not cheap.

You buy the same kits for either side. It's you insinuating that for some reason you need to spend £500 on ram. Your misleading on purpose.

Who has done that? @AndreiD did you spend £500, Did @gavinh87 spend £500? It's nonsense mate.

gavinh87 · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:25

jigger said:
Yeah just read back a few pages. Pick almost any one of you posts.

Give me 1, just 1 time where i posted something incorrect.
Also, tactical use of selective reading there.

gavinh87 · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:26

Doobedoo said:
You buy the same kits for either side. It's you insinuating that for some reason you need to spend £500 on ram. Your misleading on purpose.

Who has done that? @AndreiD did you spend £500, Did @gavinh87 spend £500? It's nonsense mate.

£280 for 16gb of 4266mhz.

jigger · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:26

AndreiD said:
@Journey
It's not like we have plenty of Ryzen posts on this forum with people having trouble getting their Hynix RAM that high... no sir.
And it would be helpful if you provided some CPU-Z validate links to back your claims of having built many systems that got to 2933Mhz CL14 on Hynix, especially of that 3200 LPX kit that runs at '14-14-14-32-48'

And we've had plenty of benches in here which show that RAM does make a difference, especially higher than 3200.

@jigger CPU-Z links please, show us your '2966Mhz RAM' on Ryzen, because when humbug asked me and gavin to prove we had Ryzen systems, we did.

Hynix plus XMP 2933 profile. Well I'm assuming my kits are Hynix.

AndreiD · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:26

@Doobedoo No, but I did spent £50 more for a Samsung B-die kit because I wanted to get 3200Mhz. And that price gap increased since I built my system, cheapest B-die kit right now is the 8Pack Dark Pro (since the regular Dark Pro is Hynix now).

AndreiD · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:27

jigger said:
Hynix plus XMP 2933 profile. Well I'm assuming my kits are Hynix.

Can you download CPU-Z and provide a validate link?

jigger · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:28

gavinh87 said:
Give me 1, just 1 time where i posted something incorrect.

So many stick in my head. How about Ryzen is 30% slower than Kaby. Or Ryzen is b0rked because you have cold boot problems.

AndreiD · 23 Sep 2017 at 20:32

Ryzen is 30% slower, single core wise, than Kaby when compounding IPC and clock speed advantage and Ryzen does have cold boot issues on some motherboards, so...