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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

AthlonXP1800 said:
Depend what part it is Microsoft's fault. Is it whole Microsoft's fault? No. Is it Microsoft's DirectX 12 fault? No. Is it Microsoft's Xbox division fault? Yes. The Xbox division designed and developed Xbox consoles.

Developers been explored everyday for the last 12 years since 2005 to find ways to fully harness PS3's 8 core Cell CPU, Xbox One, Xbox One S, Xbox One X, PS4 and PS4 Pro's AMD Jaguar 8 core APU with no success, they never managed to maxed out 8 threads in games. The same thing happened to PC too with 6+ core CPUs since Bloomfield and Bulldozer.

Until now developers may finally got answer why they cant harness powerful CPUs like Threadripper with up to 32 threads.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-...phics-in-nano-technology-breakthrough/8724546
http://science.anu.edu.au/research/...-promises-ultra-fast-graphics-gaming-consoles

Copper wires on consoles, graphic cards and motherboards PCB are bottlenecked by GPU and CPU, copper wires need to be replace with nano optical wires so developers can finally harness CPU properly with lots of threads to push GPU frames higher to maximum.

Probably will be few years before we see next generation consoles, GPU cards and motherboards start to use nano optical wires.
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I can't see anywhere in those articles that say optical wires can help with multi threading.
Using copper or optical, a faster CPU is a faster CPU, interconnects wont change that.
When you see a GPU being utilised at 100%, are optical interconnects going to allow it to be utilised at 150%?
PCIe 3.0 isn't saturated so I'd like to see in what situations this technology could help.

“Our invention can be used to connect these processors with optical wires that will transmit data between processers thousands of times faster than metal wires. This will enable smooth rendering and large-scale parallel computation needed for a good gaming experience.”

To me this is talking about multi cpu workstations etc, not single CPU's .
 
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@AthlonXP1800 That's actually an issue with the extremely weak Jaguar cores found in the consoles, there's only so much you can do with cores weaker than the ones in recent Atom CPUs.
It's the reason why Async. Compute was pushed so hard in some multi-platform games, it helps devs offload some compute from the weak CPU cores.
Look at recent multi-platform CPU intensive games like Destiny 2 and check what framerates they're running on consoles (30fps), it's most likely due to being very CPU limited on console.

On the PC side even the basic Ryzen 3 or Pentium G has good enough single core to be able to chew through more instructions than several Jaguar cores on consoles could. There's also the issue that according to the Steam Hardware survey, >97% of PC users are on quad or dual cores, so having to extensively multi-thread any piece of software, which very difficult and costs dev time, doesn't really make sense.

If any shift is to happen, it will happen once hexa or octa cores start becoming more than 3% of the PC market share (probably when they get close to 20%) and especially when, or if, consoles switch to Zen cores.
Zen core APUs should give a massive performance uplift for consoles CPU wise, and that's when multi-platform games will start becoming pretty demanding CPU wise on PC too.
 
Any idea when the 35W low voltage version i7-8700T would be available? Can't wait to down-size my rig into a Dan Cases SFX-A4 v2 mini-ITX case. In year 2017 it's time to move to USB-C, and it would be dumb to have a rig not having such a port in the front panel! :p
 
Motherboard mainly until recently, the first couple of months were a pain. More recent bios updates are alright, but there are still a few issues here and there like P-State OC being able to brick the board or fan controllers readouts.
It's getting there, but the ride so far took a lot of wind out of my sails.

I'm not sure if Z370 is going to be more stable or easy to work with at the start, but Intel's mainstream platforms seem to be fairly issue free in recent years, remains to be seen I guess.
 
id expect z370 to be rock solid as lets be blunt its not new apart from a few additions on usb and firewire probably. being kind its a updated z170 after all.
 
Yeah, a bit disappointing, but the more recent stable BIOS versions (well, not issue free, but almost there) are helping me regain confidence in the platform.
I'm just curious if Coffee Lake is going to compete well on price.
 
GAC said:
id expect z370 to be rock solid as lets be blunt its not new apart from a few additions on usb and firewire probably. being kind its a updated z170 after all.
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Pretty much, given how many Z370 mobo leaks we've had so far. I'm actually curious if they're going to lock out Kaby/Skylake out of Z370 like it's been rumored.
 
https://videocardz.com/72831/intel-...desktop-processors-final-specs-and-highlights

First games benchmarks:

Gears of War 4 195FPS 25% faster than 7700K
PUBG 80FPS 45% faster than 7700K in mega tasking Game + Stream + Record

Found Gears of War 4 benchmarks by Hardware Unboxed:

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8700K probably got 195FPS with 1080p Ultra compared to 7700K 165FPS and Ryzen 7 1800X around 131FPS.

Look really very good. :)
 
8700 now listed in Switzerland, no specific delivery date.

Cost is £255. 8700k not listed yet but expect it to be around £300

Current 7700k price is £227 here.

No motherboards listed yet.
 
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