Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

[signal11th]

Basically after checking US suppliers(if actually did ship to the UK ( which they don't well the one I looked at) the total price of the unit would be including all taxes AND shipping would be £247 so if it's any more than say £239 then that's RAT (retailer added tax lul)

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

A picture of the dielidded chip:

https://videocardz.com/73155/intel-core-i7-8700k-delidded

I think I'm tempted to jump to an i5 8600k from my Ryzen tbh

LOL. I really can''t fathom why you upgraded from a perfectly good Haswell Core i7,to a Ryzen 7 and now back to a Skylake/Kaby Lake/Coffee Lake CPU,especially since you said you still had a R9 290/R9 290X IIRC.

With the amount of money you will be wasting you could have just simply waited another 18 months and stuck with your perfectly fine Core i7 4770K and got a CannonLake/Icelake or Zen 2 CPU on a new node.

I mean I am on a Xeon E3 1230 V2/Core i7 3770 and I am not sure if its worth the upgrade to get a Ryzen 5 1600 or Core i5 8400 and I have a GTX1080.

Edit!!

Also with 10NM apparently bringing mainstream 8C/16T CPUs from Intel it probably means the 10NM Core i5 is going to be 8C/8T,and AMD might have hit more comparable clockspeeds too.

 

[Martini1991]

Being an enthusiast

 

[AndreiD]

To be fair, it's pretty fun building a new system from time to time. I can definitely see the appeal if you just sell your old components, add £100~200 on top for the new ones and getting the new big thing, not as expensive as a lot of other hobbies

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Being an enthusiast

I am enthusiast too,but since you essentially skipped BW and Skylake and a few generations of graphics cards it seems really weird you seem to be spending more on a CPU than a graphics card.

I mean SKL/KL 4C/8T CPUs could be had for under £300 if you shopped around and you will be paying similar money to for 6C/6T CPU with a similar core and similar clockspeeds.

I only really noticed being CPU limited with a GTX1080,not with my previous card which was comparable to a R9 290.

 

[Martini1991]

I am enthusiast too,but since you essentially skipped BW and Skylake and a few generations of graphics cards it seems really weird you seem to be spending more on a CPU than a graphics card.

I only really noticed being CPU limited with a GTX1080,not with my previous card which was comparable to a R9 290.

I was trying to vote with my wallet as regards graphics cards. But that's just acting against me. So I'll be buying VEGA ASAP.

4770k to 1700 was a solid move. I can probably move to a 8600k with no monetary loss.

 

[AndreiD]

Interesting that adding 2 more cores only added 29 sq mm to the die size.
If that proportion maintains, on Intel's 14nm++ they could release a full 8 core Coffee at 180 sq mm, with an iGPU to boot (which takes a fairly substantial chunk of the die area).
Ryzen is 192 sq mm without an iGPU, goes to show some of the density difference between Intel's 14nm and GloFo's '14'nm.

 

[ChocAndGray]

I think Ryzen 5 is going to have a bit of a battle now. If the 8600k is priced about 50 quid more it's going to make the 1600 less compelling. Granted you can pick up a b350 board cheaper than what a z370 board is going to cost, but like for like i.e x370 and z370 and the price differences will be much more comparable.

I wonder if the rumours of AMD dropping prices has any truth to it.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I was trying to vote with my wallet as regards graphics cards. But that's just acting against me. So I'll be buying VEGA asap

The issue is that even with a GTX1080 I am still GPU limited in certain games at qHD anyway. Only FO4 with heavy modding and massive settlements are an issue with regards to the CPU.

Personally if I had a overclockable Haswell CPU I would not be upgrading to Ryzen MK1 or the new Intel CPUs if I was gaming(no streaming).

I mean I would rather have a Core i7 4770K with a GTX1080TI than sell it and go Core i7 4770K,to Ryzen 7 1700 and then to a Core i5 8600K and buy a slower card.

But anyway its your dosh!!

I think Ryzen 5 is going to have a bit of a battle now. If the 8600k is priced about 50 quid more it's going to make the 1600 less compelling. Granted you can pick up a b350 board cheaper than what a z370 board is going to cost, but like for like i.e x370 and z370 and the price differences will be much more comparable.

I wonder if the rumours of AMD dropping prices has any truth to it.

One famous site already has the Ryzen 5 1600X at £190.

 

[Dr_Watson]

Every Swiss site had prices and stock showing a few days ago, my 8350k pre-order was cancelled and refunded, now every trace of CPU or MB have been removed! I emailed to ask them, didn't expect an answer but they did reply.


Thank you for your e-mail.
We are sorry that we had to cancel the processor Intel Core i3-8350K from your order *******. Eventually, we had to because the supplier finally comunicated us the releasing date to be on the 5th of August. Before this date, we are unfortunately not allowed to sale any. We are sorry for this missleading information.

Concerning your news request for the Z370 motherboards, we will now ask our department in charge and inform you as soon as possible.

So I expect all will come good tomorrow. I asked when the sales go live as I don't want to miss out.

 

[ChocAndGray]

One famous site already has the Ryzen 5 1600X at £190.

I noticed that, still if the 8600k is about £250 I think it makes Ryzen 5 look less attractive, but I suppose for those on a budget every little helps.

Pricing really will be key here. Intel could literally kill that market off, but obviously that's not going to happen lol.

I mean as things stand a current i5 can be had for not much more than a 1600x, once the silly launch prices stabilise I think AMD are going to need to drop the price a bit more to remain competitve at that side of the market. Provided intel use similar pricing for the new i5.

I assume we still don't have any official rrp's for the uk? I'm thinking we're going to have an equal conversion with the US i.e $270 equals £270 for the i5 here....

 

[signal11th]

Every Swiss site had prices and stock showing a few days ago, my 8350k pre-order was cancelled and refunded, now every trace of CPU or MB have been removed! I emailed to ask them, didn't expect an answer but they did reply.


Thank you for your e-mail.
We are sorry that we had to cancel the processor Intel Core i3-8350K from your order *******. Eventually, we had to because the supplier finally comunicated us the releasing date to be on the 5th of August. Before this date, we are unfortunately not allowed to sale any. We are sorry for this missleading information.

Concerning your news request for the Z370 motherboards, we will now ask our department in charge and inform you as soon as possible.

So I expect all will come good tomorrow. I asked when the sales go live as I don't want to miss out.

I take the swiss company is somewhere near the Hadron Collider considering they are time travelling?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I noticed that, still if the 8600k is about £250 I think it makes Ryzen 5 look less attractive, but I suppose for those on a budget every little helps.

Pricing really will be key here. Intel could literally kill that market off, but obviously that's not going to happen lol.

I mean as things stand a current i5 can be had for not much more than a 1600x, once the silly launch prices stabilise I think AMD are going to need to drop the price a bit more to remain competitve at that side of the market. Provided intel use similar pricing for the new i5.

I assume we still don't have any official rrp's for the uk? I'm thinking we're going to have an equal conversion with the US i.e $270 equals £270 for the i5 here....

Not if the Ryzen 5 1600 drops closer to £150. Most people are going to be GPU limited. £60 was easily the difference between a RX470 4GB and RX480 8GB,and it is closer to £100 with the Ryzen 5 1600,that means you could probably get a GTX1070 over a GTX1060 6GB or RX580 8GB.

The Core i5 8400 will be the bigger danger here though especially if motherboard companies can make it boost closer to 4GHZ consistently. I do think its going to be quite a solid CPU TBH!!

From that article I linked to:

Most reviewers received two CPUs, the 8700K and 8400. The latter is representing Core i5 series. Based on the reviews I saw, this processor will have an amazing performance to price ratio. This is a 6-core CPU with clock speeds up to 4 GHz. The 7800X and 6800K CPUs look really bad compared to this sub-200 USD CPU. Great value here, if there’s any CPU to go out of stock, it’s probably the i5-8400.


However,the other issue is also the motherboards - Intel is not launching the cheaper B series ones yet and at least for a Ryzen 5 1600,one of the sub £100 ones will be more than enough,so that does help with cost.

 

[Simon Belmont]

Every Swiss site had prices and stock showing a few days ago, my 8350k pre-order was cancelled and refunded, now every trace of CPU or MB have been removed! I emailed to ask them, didn't expect an answer but they did reply.


Thank you for your e-mail.
We are sorry that we had to cancel the processor Intel Core i3-8350K from your order *******. Eventually, we had to because the supplier finally comunicated us the releasing date to be on the 5th of August. Before this date, we are unfortunately not allowed to sale any. We are sorry for this missleading information.

Concerning your news request for the Z370 motherboards, we will now ask our department in charge and inform you as soon as possible.

So I expect all will come good tomorrow. I asked when the sales go live as I don't want to miss out.

Intel was watching. NDA ends tomorrow 5th oct 2pm UK time. CPU's should go live then

 

[ChocAndGray]

Not if the Ryzen 5 1600 drops closer to £150. Most people are going to be GPU limited. £60 was easily the difference between a RX470 4GB and RX480 8GB,and it is closer to £100 with the Ryzen 5 1600,that means you could probably get a GTX1070 over a GTX1060 6GB or RX580 8GB.

The Core i5 8400 will be the bigger danger here though especially if motherboard companies can make it boost closer to £200. I do think its going to be quite a solid CPU TBH!!

From that article I linked to:

The positive in all this is competition is good. I wonder had Ryzen been a complete disaster whether we'd be in this position today i.e intel Launching now. I'm disappointed Vega wasn't as competitive as we'd either have newer Nvidia cards sooner or perhaps lower prices, although I appreciate prices are high anyway on graphics cards due to other reasons.

While I'm not keen on amd, I want them to be competitive as we'll all benefit...

As you say if the 1600 drops to £150 it's still attractive. This is really going to come down to Intel and their pricing. The 8400 might also be attractive, but price will determine things.

 

[Martini1991]

Because of complete lacklustre gains in GPU performance, it means there's a higher onus on GPU limitations.

580 performance is ancient, yet it's still at the same price point it has been for years.

 

[Dr_Watson]

Cool, 3pm here, work calendar booked, F5!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Interesting that adding 2 more cores only added 29 sq mm to the die size.
If that proportion maintains, on Intel's 14nm++ they could release a full 8 core Coffee at 180 sq mm, with an iGPU to boot (which takes a fairly substantial chunk of the die area).
Ryzen is 192 sq mm without an iGPU, goes to show some of the density difference between Intel's 14nm and GloFo's '14'nm.

Samsung/GF 14NM is essentially 20NM with Finfets though,just like the new GF 12NM is an evolved version of their current process.

The Ryzen CCX despite that is smaller than the equivalent Intel core arrangement:

http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/102274-amd-ryzens-x86-core-10pc-compact-intels/

That is 80MM2 in total for the two CCX modules. So that is 112MM2 left for other stuff - I expect since AMD moved much more stuff(outside the GPU) onboard,its taken up a significant amount of the chip to do so.

 

[orbitalwalsh]

You guys are going to use all the 8700k for system builds and hardly any for sale on there own. OCUK have done this in the past. It's all about greed.

normally builders order OEM chips- ocuk sell both retail and oem ones as well. @8 Pack stated for the binned ones that they open oem (not sure if retail was) to fined the good binned ones and list them up- ones that dont hit above a certain level normally 4.8/4.9Ghz goes into their system builds

in theory- they can make a Lot of money on pre-binned ones - people will pay £300+ if a chip can hit 5.2/3Ghz on the older 7700/6700k - luck of the draw for them as well

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Oh noes!

https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/damien-cox/intels-coffee-lake-to-possibly-face-shortage/

Intel is expected to launch its 8th generation of CPUs in just a couple of days, but early adopters might have to wait longer than the leaked October 5th launch date. Intel is predicted to experience a shortage of Coffee Lake processors, resulting in scarce availability all around.

The decision to launch Coffee Lake so soon after last year’s Kaby Lake was one that confused many. It is more than likely that Intel made the choice in light of AMD’s newly launched Ryzen and Threadripper CPUs, attempting to claw back its throne from the first solid competition offered in years.

Reports from SweClockers’ sources, however, states that there is almost a complete lack of Intel’s Coffee Lake family throughout October and November and that while the situation is expected to improve a little in December, no guarantees can be made until the first quarter of 2018.

The same sources also predict that while Intel’s plans are to gain back some footing from AMD, it might have the opposite effect, trampling on the sales of its previous generation. After the launch of Coffee Lake, which is expected at a similar price to Kaby Lake, no one is going to be interested in the 7th-gen CPUs. The only advantage to upgrading to Kaby Lake beyond the launch of the 8th-gen is that it isn’t necessary to upgrade from 6th-gen motherboards, but even then features are limited if the user chooses to stick with what they have.

The idea that Coffee Lake will experience a soft launch this year with a hard launch more akin to early 2018 bodes better for current Kaby Lake users while offering Intel a chance to compete against AMD’s upcoming Pinnacle Ridge, which is expected in February.

Get your orders in early methinks!!

The positive in all this is competition is good. I wonder had Ryzen been a complete disaster whether we'd be in this position today i.e intel Launching now. I'm disappointed Vega wasn't as competitive as we'd either have newer Nvidia cards sooner or perhaps lower prices, although I appreciate prices are high anyway on graphics cards due to other reasons.

While I'm not keen on amd, I want them to be competitive as we'll all benefit...

As you say if the 1600 drops to £150 it's still attractive. This is really going to come down to Intel and their pricing. The 8400 might also be attractive, but price will determine things.

Yep,my CPU is definitely limiting me in my modded FO4 playthough,but again since I don't upgrade my CPU that often,I might hold on and see what the 10NM and 7NM CPUs are like.

The Core i5 8400 will be more dependent on how high it boosts - if the motherboard companies can find a way to make it boost closer to 4GHZ,it will be quite good for certain games like FO4 which Ryzen is relatively weak in for example.

Since I have a mini-ITX rig,I don't like dissembling it all the time,outside sometimes cleaning out the cooler,so probably why I am more patient than most!