Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 5 Oct 2017 at 19:10

SiDeards73 said:
Buildzoid?

Thats the chap!!

Also,LOL at Gigabyte:

https://hexus.net/tech/previews/mainboard/110801-gigabyte-aorus-z370-gaming-7/

Gigabyte/Aorus has redesigned the Gaming 7 iteration to offer a sleeker, more attractive look. However, it has also removed a few features from the Z270X model and increased price from £225 to £275. We're currently running it in our labs and will report back with the full review soon, so stay tuned for that.

The funny thing is if you want to get a locked Core i3 8100 for £110,the cheapest Gigbabyte motherboard is £130. LOL.

I can't understand why the B360 is coming out next year.

Ogi · 5 Oct 2017 at 19:12

Gigabyte started some Steam wallet codes for z370 aorus mainboards.

davisdavid · 5 Oct 2017 at 19:13

Goody_GTI said:
So Ryzen isn't dead then ?

Would have taken a hit had intel actually planned this launch and pushed it out on Z390 but as it is I think although the Intel chips are probably better overall the price point and performance of the 16/1700 and X variants is still a brilliant option - especially when you factor in the upgrade path and support to AM4 over the next 3-4 years. The 8th Gen Intel chips will likely only see Z390 motherboards in their limited upgrade path before the next architecture releases.

davisdavid · 5 Oct 2017 at 19:15

SiDeards73 said:
Buildzoid?

Cheers

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Thats the chap!!

Thanks, it got me off an a internet round robin and I've just read up on MOSFET. Every cloud.

Journey · 5 Oct 2017 at 19:25

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Its a myth if you honestly think nothing has changed and sounds like excuse making for the £300 motherboards

Why did you ignore what I wrote, I just said give me an example of where the good value boards have become poorer, as you stated? I just looked for a random board from Asus, in 2010 the Asus P7H55-M Pro cost $110 new, the current Z370 Prime board is $125, so basically it's gone up by inflation.

I'll quote myself for clarity here.

Journey said:
nothing much has changed, just manufacturers have added premium ranges with many, many added extra's.

If you want a good quality, low end board you can still buy them, some people seem to ignore them because they are brainwashed into thinking they need £200+ boards, with features they will never use. 15 fan headers, water pump headers, RGB, plastic shrouds, Wi-Fi dongles, built-in Op amps etc. The list goes on, added value is what they are aiming at, the fundamental design/quality of the boards has not dropped.

Tom|Nbk · 5 Oct 2017 at 19:25

Is this good value or what or is ryzen better

Is ryZen going to drop in price argggggh so confusing with all this waffle

Panos · 5 Oct 2017 at 19:26

Caught up with the benchmarks. Seriously expected more :/
Completely underwhelmed from the 8700K, especially at 2560x1440 with GTX1080Ti. Imho would be better to buy 1600X and spend the extra money on GTX1080tis, than trying to buy something like a GTX1080 and 8700K.

The only AAA game I care about is the TWW2, and at Paul's Hardware review, who used 3200Mhz Ram on all CPUs including Ryzen, shows that all is equal between the Ryzen 6/8 cores, and the 7700K/8400/8700K at 2560x1440.
All at stock speeds!!!!!
Which means upgrading from the 6800K @ 4.3 to anything of these, would gain me 1-2 fps :/ LOL.

orbitalwalsh · 5 Oct 2017 at 19:29

Ogi said:
Gigabyte started some Steam wallet codes for z370 aorus mainboards.

Yeah, just saw it on Facebook . Might have to cancel my non existing 8600k and get a 8400 and some steam vouchers

Panos · 5 Oct 2017 at 19:29

Tom|Nbk said:
Is this good value or what or is ryzen better

Is ryZen going to drop in price argggggh so confusing with all this waffle

Check the reviews where they bothered to use 3200mhz ram on all CPUs, including Ryzen, and 1080Ti.
At 2560x1440 all is equal, even if the Ryzen CPUs (both 6 & 8 cores) are with 1Ghz deficit!!!

davisdavid · 5 Oct 2017 at 19:37

Panos said:
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Completely underwhelmed from the 8700K, especially at 2560x1440 with GTX1080Ti.....

Not to be unexpected though when comparing at 2560x1440? I don't think there'll ever be a significant jump in CPUs anymore, especially not with Intel unless a plethora of games suddenly took advantage of multiple cores. Thinking about it GPUs don't make that much of a leap, the last gen high end keep up with the next gen mid range and so on. Think I posted on another page that Intel never need to make a massive leap forward, take this release - I'm certain they could have gone 8 core if they really wanted to but they don't need to. The 8700k will be seen as the 'top gaming chip' because it doesn't have the HEDT moniker in its title. If Intel release an 8 core chip as 8th gen then it'll probably only be compatible with Z390.

Admittedly this is rushed, hence the Z370 boards but it's still probably overall 'better' than Ryzen even if only 6 people not on youtube have one. Need they do more if they are making money?

Edit - I game at 1440p and was waiting on this release. Had they been in stock I'd have gone for one but I think Ryzen will be more than enough with a 1080Ti or SLI 1080s. Can't decide

Panos · 5 Oct 2017 at 19:47

davisdavid said:
Edit - I game at 1440p and was waiting on this release. Had they been in stock I'd have gone for one but I think Ryzen will be more than enough with a 1080Ti or SLI 1080s. Can't decide

6800K was a stopgap for me, after the CH6 burning my 1700X in April (such a great CPU).
With those benchmarks tonight, I am looking for a good offer on 1800X

And as someone put it. The CoffeeLake going to make the AMD selling more CPUs

especially when you consider the price difference between 1700 and 1600X. Someone could buy a far bigger GPU.

Brumboy · 5 Oct 2017 at 19:49

After looking at some reviews the i5 8400 seems to be the best value for performance, infact it's not far behind the 8700k which is strange. Could the 8400 be the 2500 of today?

Since I am playing just PuBG at the moment with a 1080Ti @ 1080p, I wonder what FPS improvement I'll gain by switching to a 8400 with DDR4 memory from a 4690k @ 4.5hz? I have stopped playing at 4k/60hz for now and I'm playing at 1080p/144hz

Panos · 5 Oct 2017 at 19:56

Rossuk89 said:
After looking at some reviews the i5 8400 seems to be the best value for performance, infact it's not far behind the 8700k which is strange. Could the 8400 be the 2500 of today?

Since I am playing just PuBG at the moment with a 1080Ti @ 1080p, I wonder what FPS improvement I'll gain by switching to a 8400 with DDR4 memory from a 4690k @ 4.5hz? I have stopped playing at 4k/60hz for now and I'm playing at 1080p/144hz

Check Paul's hardware review.

Martini1991 · 5 Oct 2017 at 19:59

I don't know why people are expecting massive gaming gains.
GPU progress has been stupidly slow. At the moment we're pretty gpu limited.

The entry level i3 and i5 look pretty solid buys to be honest. Although I'd probably buy Ryzen over both

sityeuropa · 5 Oct 2017 at 20:03

Best value still goes to Ryzen 1700 right?

How does a Ryzen 1700 @4ghz compare to 8700K overclocked for productivity?

Smffy · 5 Oct 2017 at 20:08

Anyone know of any speculative dates on the other Asus boards? ROG Maximus X Formula for example, guess within a few weeks?

Tom|Nbk · 5 Oct 2017 at 20:08

Looks like best value is Ryzen still, priced up a 1600 vs 8400 i5 bundle and Ryzen is 50 quid cheaper, that's a few takeaways

Anyway now they are so close in performance the ensuing price war which is probably about to begin on AMD side is going to be interesting, if AMD drop price on Ryzen aggressive Intel may be in a slight bit of trouble.....

AndreiD · 5 Oct 2017 at 20:13

TechReport did a streaming review:
http://techreport.com/review/32642/intel-core-i7-8700k-cpu-reviewed/11

Our time-spent-beyond-X graphs basically confirm what we've already discussed: the i7-8700K is delivering a much smoother gaming experience than the Ryzen 7 parts while streaming, no matter what threshold you choose to examine.

The 8700K is significantly better for streaming than Ryzens, I wouldn't think that would be possible since the R7s have 4 more threads and OBS with X264 really favors more threads, but wow...
Seems that anything that can make use of AVX, like X264, will run significantly faster on Coffee Lake than on Ryzen, since Ryzen is pretty gimped AVX wise.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 5 Oct 2017 at 20:29

AndreiD said:
TechReport did a streaming review:
http://techreport.com/review/32642/intel-core-i7-8700k-cpu-reviewed/11

The 8700K is significantly better for streaming than Ryzens, I wouldn't think that would be possible since the R7s have 4 more threads and OBS with X264 really favors more threads, but wow...
Seems that anything that can make use of AVX, like X264, will run significantly faster on Coffee Lake than on Ryzen, since Ryzen is pretty gimped AVX wise.

GN did a lot of streaming tests too:

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwrevie...vs-ryzen-streaming-gaming-overclocking/page-4

For some reason the TR review seems much worse and GN used a slower Ryzen 7 1700 too!!

DarrenM343 · 5 Oct 2017 at 20:32

not sure why Si surp

Martini1991 said:
I don't know why people are expecting massive gaming gains.
GPU progress has been stupidly slow. At the moment we're pretty gpu limited.

The entry level i3 and i5 look pretty solid buys to be honest. Although I'd probably buy Ryzen over both

Not sure why people are expecting gaming gains at 1440p and above. That's where the GPU does most of the work surely. If your GPU is being utilised near 100%, no CPU is going to add many more FPS IMO. Might find things a bit smoother however, something benchmarks don't show.