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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

Tom|Nbk said:
Looks like best value is Ryzen still, priced up a 1600 vs 8400 i5 bundle and Ryzen is 50 quid cheaper, that's a few takeaways :D

Anyway now they are so close in performance the ensuing price war which is probably about to begin on AMD side is going to be interesting, if AMD drop price on Ryzen aggressive Intel may be in a slight bit of trouble.....
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Are you still not tempted to upgrade? You CPU and GPU combo seems like a massive mis-match in terms of performance, bottlenecks etc
 
DarrenM343 said:
not sure why Si surp

Not sure why people are expecting gaming gains at 1440p and above. That's where the GPU does most of the work surely. If your GPU is being utilised near 100%, no CPU is going to add many more FPS IMO. Might find things a bit smoother however, something benchmarks don't show.
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Exactly, volta will show the real performance of these CPU's.
Hardware unboxed did some 720p testing to remove GPU bottleneck and well, it blew ryzen away.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
GN did a lot of streaming tests too:

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwrevie...vs-ryzen-streaming-gaming-overclocking/page-4

For some reason the TR review seems much worse and GN used a slower Ryzen 7 1700 too!!
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They used different encoder settings, TechReport used more realistic ones for Twitch, GamersNexus went with 10Mbps for their Youtube tests and 15Mbps for local recordings.

Seems that the 8700K is significantly faster for the 6Mbps bitrate limit Twitch has, but not for higher bitrates which might become too demanding for the 12 Threads to cope.
 
All seems bitter sweet for me.

I was upgrading from 4770k to 8700k as my week old 7700k mobo combo was DOA as it doesnt turbo boost. Ive been limping along waiting for the new CPU's to come out so i can pull the mobo out and RMA is back to the retailer. Doesnt look like ive gained much going from the 7700k to 8700k really though. The RMA gods wer looking down on me.

Ordered a Asus Hero mobo and i5 8600k in one order and then at the last minute ordered a 8700k binned CPU so now at home i will have a 4770k, 7700k, 8600k and a 8700k haha. I best sell some of these things to make my next mortgage payment!

Will probably build the 8600k into another rig or just sell it on as ill get what i paid for it.
 
Anybody any idea what a 8530k will overclock to on an ITX board with a good air cooler? No info out there or on Youtube. Will be able to test myself in a couple of days but would like to know what to expect, it's not going to by my PC so don't want to try for something unrealistic.
 
From this chart below, I think my i5 4690k is on par with the Ryzen 1400? correct me if I'm wrong.

But based on that the 8400 gives 114fps on average compared to 80 for my CPU, which is a 42.5% gain at 1080p with a 1080Ti. That seems like a big gain for what would be a £200ish upgade cost (after selling my current components).

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Rossuk89 said:
From this chart below, I think my i5 4690k is on par with the Ryzen 1400? correct me if I'm wrong.

But based on that the 8400 gives 114fps on average compared to 80 for my CPU, which is a 42.5% gain at 1080p with a 1080Ti. That seems like a big gain for what would be a £200ish upgade cost (after selling my current components).

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Stock for stock them gains over my 5930k are quite nice, with delidded 8700k @ 5ghz the gap will open up even more over my 5930k @ 4.5, think I'm going to get one when they come back in stock unless someone can change my mind and save me the money.

Any-one else with a 5930/20 upgrading?
 
gavinh87 said:
Exactly, volta will show the real performance of these CPU's.
Hardware unboxed did some 720p testing to remove GPU bottleneck and well, it blew ryzen away.
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Not really, Volta will be, what, 15% faster? 20% faster at most? The trend is towards monitors with higher resolutions, not lower ones. That will put less pressure on the CPU and probably more than make up for the bump in GPU performance for the vast majority of people. Unless you're talking about the crowd that buy the fastest GPU possible to play games at 1080p max settings at 144 FPS, but really this is a small monitory.
 
Rossuk89 said:
From this chart below, I think my i5 4690k is on par with the Ryzen 1400? correct me if I'm wrong.

But based on that the 8400 gives 114fps on average compared to 80 for my CPU, which is a 42.5% gain at 1080p with a 1080Ti. That seems like a big gain for what would be a £200ish upgade cost (after selling my current components).

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Where would an i5 3570k fit into that chart?
 
AndreiD said:
They used different encoder settings, TechReport used more realistic ones for Twitch, GamersNexus went with 10Mbps for their Youtube tests and 15Mbps for local recordings.

Seems that the 8700K is significantly faster for the 6Mbps bitrate limit Twitch has, but not for higher bitrates which might become too demanding for the 12 Threads to cope.
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The problem with that is steaming sites as time progresses will improve in quality so they should have really both tested a few presets. Plus for YouTube the bitrates are higher so if you are recording footage for a review for example:
https://www.tutorialguidacomefare.c...p-2160p-max-bitrate-which-compresses-youtube/
 
DragonQ said:
Not really, Volta will be, what, 15% faster? 20% faster at most? The trend is towards monitors with higher resolutions, not lower ones. That will put less pressure on the CPU and probably more than make up for the bump in GPU performance for the vast majority of people. Unless you're talking about the crowd that buy the fastest GPU possible to play games at 1080p max settings at 144 FPS, but really this is a small monitory.
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Higher refresh rate gaming is getting bigger, asus' new flagship monitor is 200hz @ 3440 x 1440 you will need every bit of power you can get.
Frankly nobody should still be on 60hz. Anyone that says otherwise hasn't tried any higher.
 
gavinh87 said:
Higher refresh rate gaming is getting bigger, asus' new flagship monitor is 200hz @ 3440 x 1440 you will need every bit of power you can get.
Frankly nobody should still be on 60hz. Anyone that says otherwise hasn't tried any higher.
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No-one buys £1k flagship monitors but yes you could argue that the trend is also towards higher refresh rates. However, more and more monitors are also fitted with FreeSync or G-Sync, so you don't need a solid 144 FPS for great, smooth gameplay anyway. Rather than spending hundreds of pounds on squeezing the last 10-20 FPS out of your GPU you can just buy a better GPU. Like I said you seem to be talking about the crowd with stupidly high-end setups, who clearly don't mind spending the extra cash anyway, so of course they'd relish Coffee Lake. The average gamer does not buy a GTX 1080 Ti for £750 to play at 1080p and then worries that they aren't getting the best out of it with their Ryzen or Haswell CPU.
 
gavinh87 said:
Higher refresh rate gaming is getting bigger, asus' new flagship monitor is 200hz @ 3440 x 1440 you will need every bit of power you can get.
Frankly nobody should still be on 60hz. Anyone that says otherwise hasn't tried any higher.
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Meh...I have a 144hz 1920 x 1080 monitor, tried games at 144/120/100/80/60Hz, safe to say I limit to 60-80fps now, anything above barely makes a difference to me.

I notice the difference in noise from the fans on my GPU when running above 80hz more than I do the frame rate.
 
ljt said:
Meh...I have a 144hz 1920 x 1080 monitor, tried games at 144/120/100/80/60Hz, safe to say I limit to 60-80fps now, anything above barely makes a difference to me.

I notice the difference in noise from the fans on my GPU when running above 80hz more than I do the frame rate.
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That's why I made sure to get a top-class GPU in terms of noise, fan speed, and temperatures. More important than raw FPS to me, I don't want to be sitting next to a hair-dryer whilst playing. :)

It's also why SRPs for first-party GPUs are kinda pointless, you always have to add ~£50 if you want proper cooling.
 
The i7-8700K is clearly the best overall chip under $500 due to its consistency and having an IGP.
Ryzen is too inconsistent, see DAW usage for example, and lacks an IGP.
The i5-8400 is also great value which is not something you hear very often with Intel, :eek: but needs a more basic chipset to keep the platform price down.
Great to see competition.
 
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